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KennyK404 25th August 2015 19:05

141sqn Defiants
 
For such simple and "generic" search terms, I can't find pictures of 141SQN Defiants. 264SQN were clearly the "media darlings".... can anyone help restore the balance a little?

Thanks in advance.

Larry 28th August 2015 12:51

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
There isn't even one in The Defiant File by Alex Brew (Air Britain Publications)!

Col Bruggy 28th August 2015 15:11

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Hello,

You will find a rare photograph of a No.141 Sqn Defiant (L7000:TW-P), on p.113 of the 1st edition of Flintham & Thomas' Combat Codes. The shot is reproduced on p.133 of the 2nd edition, of the same work.

Col.

KennyK404 28th August 2015 16:43

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry (Post 205703)
There isn't even one in The Defiant File by Alex Brew (Air Britain Publications)!

That makes me feel better about coming up short on pictures!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col Bruggy (Post 205712)
Hello,

You will find a rare photograph of a No.141 Sqn Defiant (L7000:TW-P), on p.113 of the 1st edition of Flintham & Thomas' Combat Codes. The shot is reproduced on p.133 of the 2nd edition, of the same work.

Col.

Thankyou :D Now on my Ebay watchlist. Do you know of any others?

Col Bruggy 28th August 2015 18:18

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Hello,

"Do you know of any others?" Yes!

Take a look at:

Allied Wings No.8 - Boulton Paul Defiant Part 1.
Listemann,Phil H. & Andrew Thomas.
n.p.,:Phil Listemann,2009.

On page 28, you will find a photograph of 141 Sqn Defiant, TW-O (serial not mentioned/visible). Go to p.31 for a pleasant coloured 3-view of the aforementioned; L7000:TW-P.

Col.

gedburke3 28th August 2015 19:25

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
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I have this one showing Slatter and Gard'ner of 141 Squadron.

KennyK404 29th August 2015 13:13

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Col Bruggy (Post 205724)
Hello,

"Do you know of any others?" Yes!

Take a look at:

Allied Wings No.8 - Boulton Paul Defiant Part 1.
Listemann,Phil H. & Andrew Thomas.
n.p.,:Phil Listemann,2009.

On page 28, you will find a photograph of 141 Sqn Defiant, TW-O (serial not mentioned/visible). Go to p.31 for a pleasant coloured 3-view of the aforementioned; L7000:TW-P.

Col.

Thankyou :) Also on my watchlist

Quote:

Originally Posted by gedburke3 (Post 205732)
I have this one showing Slatter and Gard'ner of 141 Squadron.

Might be the first time i've seen a "TW" :D Thankyou!

phasselgren 29th August 2015 16:51

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
The Turret Fighters - Defiant and Roc by Alec Brew has at least 7 photos of 141 Sqn Defiants.

Regards,
Peter

KennyK404 29th August 2015 16:58

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Thankyou, though that's maybe a bit beyond what i'd like to spend on the subject matter :(

Does anyone have an opinion on:

Camouflage & Markings: Boulton Paul Defiant. RAF Northern Europe 1936 -1945 Number. 8

by Robert C. Jones?

SteveB 29th August 2015 17:35

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Well 45 years ago the series was regarded as ground-breaking stuff and has held its reputation well. There are no photos of 141Sqn.
Steve

KennyK404 29th August 2015 18:16

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Thankyou for the fast reply :D

Terrifying..... so few squadrons used the type and a guide to their markings misses one out!

I really have picked an awkward subject, haven't I? :D

Larry 30th August 2015 00:26

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Another reference though brief on 141 Sqn is the Scale Aircraft Monograph on Camouflage & Markings No 2 - The Battle for Britain May - Dec 1940 by Paul Lucas. This has a drawing of a 'green and brown' 141 Sqn Defiant with codes TW-H serial L7036 from June 1940. The fuselage roundel has a thin out yellow ring and also it says it had (possibly) sky blue under surfaces rather than the more usual duck egg green.

bearoutwest 1st September 2015 03:01

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 105 - Defiant, Blenheim & Havoc Aces, has a number of photos of 141 Sqn Defiants, including (from a quick look):
p.22 Defiant on ground with cluster of flight crews;
p.33 Defiant in flight.

Regards,
...geoff

Graham Boak 1st September 2015 13:01

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Not exactly to the point but close and rarer still, I suspect: Wings Of Fame 11 has a photo of a 2 Sq Defiant, N15762 KO.I.

KennyK404 2nd September 2015 00:18

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
I found that easy in comparison: http://www.wartime-airfields.com/raf...-stories1.html

:D

(Thanks for the new replies & info, all!)

Graham Boak 2nd September 2015 16:03

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Nice one, although I believe it was there for experimenting into its use for Army Cooperation work rather than as a hack, for which it would be most unsuitable.

This picture, and one of 141 Sq, are also in Phil Listemann's book on Defiant squadrons.

KennyK404 3rd September 2015 09:40

Re: 141sqn Defiants
 
Given that the footage is ~75 years old, I might be a little late to the party but I found a Defiant gunners instructional video :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIIqY81T67E

I know, not 141sqn-specific, but I found it really interesting!


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