Bf109E crash landing 7/JG3.
 

Hi, I've recently obtained two scans of Messerschmitt Bf109E which crash landed in France 1940.
The a/c is coded white 4+I of 7/JG3 and appears to have a yellow nose and rudder. Subsequent investigation leads to this a/c having come down at
Rinxent, in the Nord Pas- de -Calais area possibly late summer - autumn 1940.
Would anybody happen to have a date or name for this incident.
Best regs,
Steve.

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I have photos of a white 13 from 1/JG 3 which have been similarly hard to tie down. As to yours, there are a number reported as crash-landing at Desvres which seems to be quite close to Rinxent but no codes to tie it in

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Hi Chris, yes I consulted Prien's books for JG3 for this period and noticed a number of forced landings at Desvres. As you say it is difficult trying to tie specific incidents without codes listed in these publications.
I have scans of a white 13+ also from 1/JG3 without any location.
So close but yet so far!
Thanks Chris.
Steve.

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The shots I have of white 13 show it from the starboard side minus an engine & then a close up of the bent back guns. These photos are stuck in a photo album from a I/JG 3 groundcrew man which I have had for years so wonder if more than one copy was made

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Chris my photo shows evidently the same starboard side view, no engine or prop assembly visible, fuselage sides appear heavily mottled.
A/c pictured in a field with trees in the distance.
Quite possibly a copy of the original.
Best regs,
Steve.

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Steve,

Does you photo show the tail of the a/c? I think that this was taken of a crash at Grandvilliers, France, on July 4, 1940. Best candidate for incident that I could come up with.

Re: Bf109E crash landing 7/JG3.
 

Hi Larry, which a/c do you refer to?
White 13+ of 1/JG3, or from my original post asking after white 4+I 7/JG3.

Best regs,
Steve.

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I believe it is the white 13 photo

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Chris/Larry, my photo shows white 13+ from the starboard side just forward from the fuselage cross. Doesn't show the tail!
Best regs,
Steve.

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Steve,

Thanx. This is the same photo that Chris has, which he provided to me some time ago. His two are the only ones that I know of for this crash, and don't show the tail. If anyone else has other photos of this a/c, I would very much appreciate notification, as this is the subject of one of our EoE color profiles.

Re: Bf109E crash landing 7/JG3.
 

OK Steve, got it (I mean "Weisse 4" of 7./JG3) ...
It was captioned at Le Touquet, end 1940; nothing more I'm afraid.

As for JG3. I don't know where you got this information; for us it was just a match ... Though I don't remember exactly the original eBay caption.

Good luck! Best regards, Franck.

PS: Not THAT "secret" after all ;)

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Steve,

Do your photos of the possible Rinxent crash (W4+I) showing the entire a/c with the tail not heavily overprinted from the eBay auction? This might be one of our EoE Color profiles, and I'd like to see what the a/c looked like with the full tail visible. My auction image shows a full port side view with two soldiers standing by the tail. What does the other photo show? Can you help?

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Hi Larry, yes my port side shows the two German soldiers looking over the aircraft. I suspect the same image as you have.
The starboard image shows the complete side with what appears to be a yellow rudder, no W.Nr visible or any victory markings.
I hope this is of use to you.
Kindest regs,
Steve.

Re: Bf109E crash landing 7/JG3.
 

Hi Franck, so 4+I appears to have forced landed at Le Touquet late 1940 yes?
The photos came to me captioned 7/JG3, so I have no reason to doubt the validity. Many thanks for your location details.
Kindest regs,
Steve.

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Steve,

I'm still not clear whether your port side photo shows the full tail, or is an eBay auction image with the swastika areas completely obscured with an overprint. Someone has also just sent me directly a full starboard side view of this one, with no overprint, which is probably the second photo that you have. Still need to get a copy of the port side view without an overprint, if someone has one.

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Hi Larry, yes the port side has an overprint from the e-bay site.
Steve.

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Steve,

Thanx for confirming that. It does appear that I now have both of the same photos that you have. Still looking for a port side photo without the eBay overprint.

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Same thoughts :)
And Le Touquet, late 1940, yes.