Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

Bonjour,

Follow this link

http://www.ebay.de/itm/2-WK-Orig-Fot...YAAOSwI-BWI584

Regards.
Rémi

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

It's been in a fire. And look at the Me-109 in the background. That fire vaporized nearly the whole aircraft.

Bronc

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

According to Wings of the black cross no.1 it is Fw190A-2, WNr.513, red 17 somewhere in Germany. There are also additional 5 photos of this a/c.

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

Hello Rémi,

Unless I am mistaken, your Fw 190 is:

Fw 190 A-3, WNr. 130513, St.Kz. DF+GM found abandoned and damaged at Gosselies, Belgium in 1944.

Steve Sheflin

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

Steve is correct to a point. IIRC, the A-2 had open slots. The A-4 was the first to have those moveable, cooling, slots, but many A-3s were refitted with them.

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

To John Beaman - a/c on the ebay photo have open cooling slots. Movable slots was introduced on A-5s.
Thank you Steve Sheflin for additional info.

Nice Photo (eBay) Late War Fw 190
 

Hi guys

I have to agree with John Beaman in that the cooling gills were introduced on the Fw 190 A-4 as that is what all the sources that I have read state. I should also mention that I have seen reference to this particular aircraft being Fw 190 A-3 (W.Nr. 0135 513).

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

Hi Guys, this aircraft has been retrofitted with updated parts including short neck style pilot's armored headrest and solid wheels that were not standard until the A-7.
Cheers, Jerry

Re: Nice Photo (eBay) Late War Fw 190
 

Can I ask which sources. Because all sources stated that movable cooling gills were introduced in A-5 series.
For me, most reliable source for Fw190 is P.Rodeike Fw190 book. source: Focke Wulf Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 A Fw 190 "Dora" Ta 152 H, Peter Rodeike, Rogge GmbH, p.144

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Is it possible to be more certain which aircraft this was, 0130513 or 0135513?
With regard to 0130513 Smith/Creek give a STKZ GF+DM and not DF+GM!
Which is correct?

Cheers
Stig

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The Fw190A-3 WNr. 0513 DF+GM was lost in a 100% crash at North Africa on 19.07.42.

This aircraft was Fw190A-3 WNr. 5513 (build by Arado, where often the first "5" was not painted at the aircraft), it was damaged during a bomb raid at Bizerta on 28.11.42, shipped home and repaired. During that repair a new engine with new cooling slots became installed.

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Thanks Merlin

However Arthy/Jessen claim this EKdo 19 aircraft to be WNr 0130515.
What is your source please?

Smith/Creek claim the WNr 0501 to 0520 were coded GF+DA to GF+DZ. Does this need to be changed to DF+GA to DF+GZ?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

Greetings,

These posting are why I love this site. One photo evokes all these responses; and we all learn.

Thank you all,

Steve Sheflin

Nice Photo (eBay) Late War Fw 190
 

Hi Tomas

That same source mentions on page 132 that the cooling gills can be observed infrequently on the Fw 190 A-4. There is another pair of images of a Fw 190 A-4 with the controllable cooling gills on page 142. I have always read that the cooling gills were fitted to late production examples and the number of photographs that I have seen would appear to bear this out.

Horrido!

Leo

Nice Photo (eBay) FW 190A
 

Gentlemen:

Please allow me to offer some conclusions to the thread concerning a derelict Fw 190A bearing unit marking 17 + .

The airplane's [i]Werknummer[i] was definitely 190.01x.0513 and its SKZ was D F + G M. It may have been either an A-2 or an A-3 as I believe both of these subtypes were externally identical. The distinction in designation was due to the model of BMW 801 engine fitted. Apparently on some assembly lines, A-2 and A-3 were produced alternately or were interspersed. Both A-2s and A-3s featured open cooling slots without flaps or "doors" for closure.

The possibility that the [i]Werknummer[i] was 190.01x.5513 (D H + B Q) is understandable but may be ruled out in this case. The Fw 190A-3 190.013.5513 was assigned to 4./JG 2 in North Africa, was lost or damaged, and eventually recovered and broken up at the Zerlegbetrieb Bizerta, Tunisia, in March 1943.

The question of whether open cooling slots or "gills" with flaps is apparently a little more uncertain. The Fw 190A-2 and A-3 were manufactured with cooling slots; it's possible that some were retrofitted with flapped "gills" later. It is clear that cooling "gills" with flaps became standard on the A-4, but perhaps not completely and immediately with commencement of A-4 production. A-4s were manufactured by Focke Wulf as well as several licensees, and it seems possible that one or more assembly lines introduced "gills" only after a few A-4airplanes were made. In any event, it may be said that the cooling flaps were generally characteristic of the A-4 subtype and had been long-established when the A-5 appeared.

If anyone can or will correct me with citation of evidence, I would welcome their comments.

RA

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Regarding documents of Lz.1/108/trop the Fw 190A-3,W.Nr.5513, was recovered in the timeframe 01.03.--10.03.1943 with an damage of 90% and then complete dismantled in the Zerlegebetrieb of Lz.1/108/trop in Bizerta (the unit was stationed on the same place).

Re: Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190
 

Thanks Guys

Stig