Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Good morning to all.

Am trying to identify the LW losses during the night of 31st December 1944 up to 01st January 1945, over Holland, but NOT related to Operation Bodenplatte.

There were, at least two Ju 87 claims over Holland that night and I would like to identify them. Most probably NSGr 20 aircraft, who lost Ju 87 D-5 131197 and two FW 190 F-8.

Any further details of the crew of that D-5 werknummer 131197 or the other Ju 87 reported missing by NSGr 20?

Thank you in advance for any kind of help.
Most sincerely yours,
Adriano S. Baumgartner

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Hello,
NSGr. 20 did not have Ju87, only NSGr. 1 and 2 use them.
h.

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

From the loss-list of the SGLO:

T4881, 44-12-31, Geleen (Keumtkerweg), Ju 87D-5, 100%, 2./NSGr. 1, Uffz. F.Seidemann
T4883, 45-01-01, Den Bosch, Ju 87, 100%, 3./NSGr. 1, Gfr. H. Klinke

Jaap

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Hans > you are right...I made a mistake....the 2 losses I found on a previous thread were from NSGr 2...not 20...my mistake!
JAAP > Thanks a lot....I had forgotten your wonderful site...SGLO...I remember some PDF lists from 1939 up to 1945 there...you gave me a true north!!!! Thank you so much!!!

Adriano

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Hi Adriano,

do you know the book from Dr. Christian Möller "Die Einsätze der Nachtschlachtgruppen 1, 2 und 20 an der Westfront vom September 1944 bis Mai 1945"?
h.

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Hans,
I did not know about that publication. Sadly I did not read German. But will keep an eye on it.
Thank you for informing me about that.
Adriano

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Ju 87D-5 D3+NL WNr. 131 197 3./NSGr. 2 Take Off Eudenbach 06.08h
31.12.44 to 01.01.1945

OFhr. Josef Meurer MIA
Uffz. Heinz Hentschel MIA
shoot down by AAA south of Roetgen, wreckage found by US-Forces


01.01.1945 3./NSGr. 1

Fhr. Joachim Klein KIA
Uffz. Johann Dudeck KIA
Ju 87D-3 V8+NO
crashed after shoot down by Nightfighter Bret - Genk 5km N of Maastricht
This must be the Ju 87 shoot down by F/L Cross.
This is the only Ju 87 loss by Nightfighters.
h.

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

National Archives AIR25/731: Ju 87 D-5, W.Nr.620670, V8+ND, shot down by F/L Cross and F/O Beaumont of 604 Squadron. "Aircraft struck trees and broke up, centre section burnt out."

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

That 620670 is Ju 88 G-6 W.Nr., lost in night of 26/27.12.44 near Namur (Brussels area)

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Sorry, a confusion in my note-taking since the two machines would have featured in the same file. I re-checked and there was no W.Nr. ascertained from the JU 87 wreck.

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

ED and Nick,

Thank you both for the additional information.

Adriano

Re: Ju 87 losses over Holland - night 31st/12/44 to 01/01/45
 

Hanshauprich
Bret is part of the town Genk and that is in Belgium, not Maastricht Holland.
Frans A