"Beverley Anne" or "Beverly Ann"?
 

Gentlemen,

In mid-May 1945, Karl Baur flew Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 501232 "Yellow 5" of KG(J) 6 from Munchen-Riem to Lechfeld for Watson's Whizzers. Some texts give the name assigned by the 54th A.D. Sqdn. team as "Beverley Anne" and others as "Beverly Ann".

Is there any published photograph that shows this aircraft with its name?

Best regards,

Jim Geens

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I have found only "ann"..
Strobell recalls the details of this flight:

The first Me 262 restored was an Me 262A-1. I could be wrong, but am almost sure it was the one named Beverly Ann (this was my cousin's name, and I wondered how her name came to be on the airplane). This was the Me 262 that Baur flew into Lechfeld on May 16th from Munchen-Reim near Frankfort. It was found in fully operational condition, requiring the least amount of hangar / crew chief attention.
and confirmed in karl baur book,but i know only pic's with "screamin' meemie" name applied.
hope this helps.max

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Dear nuvola10,

What is the source of your Strobell quote? Phil Butler in War Prizes gives the name as "Beverley Anne". Jim is correct that the aircraft was in U.S. hands at Munich-Riem and that Butler is wrong about it being surrendered at Lechfeld. Baur's Flugbuch states that he flew "Beverly Ann" from Munich-Riem to Lechfeld on May 15, 1945. However, as far as the correct spelling is concerned, for "Wilma Jeanne" he appears to have spelled it "Wilma Joanne" in his Flugbuch.

Wolfgang W. E. Samuel in American Raiders gives the name as "Beverly Anne". He interviewed Strobell at College Park, Maryland, in April 2000. He was 82 when he passed away on Jan. 5, 2001. I met Bob at the College Park Aviation Museum in the spring of 1999 where he was volunteering as a docent.

The only book about Karl Baur of which I am aware is the one written by his wife Isolde. The book was published in 2000, long after his death in 1963. I find no mention of this transfer flight in the book.

Regards,
Richard

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I Richard,
i have this : me 262 production log-pag.182;
me 262 kg & kg(j) japo pub.-pag.128;
and a various research in internet. :-)

Re: "Beverley Anne" or "Beverly Ann"?
 

Max and Richard,

Thank you. You can see my quandary. That is why I was hoping there was a photograph.

Best regards,
Jim

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Dear nuvola10,

Exactly which publication did you get your quote from Bob Strobell?

Regards,
Richard

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I have found in stormbird.com
http://www.stormbirds.com/squadron/mission/solo.htm
regards,
max

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Richard

Where does Butler state 'Beverley Ann' was surrendered at Lechfeld?
I can only find (on page 188) that he says 'On 16th May Baur flew Beverley Ann from Munich-Riem to Lechfeld'. I presume your stated date May 15th is taken by yourself from Baur's logbook?

Since I would very much like to correct any faults in Butler's book, can you please show me where the other quote is made?

Cheers
Stig

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Hello,

"Where does Butler state "Beverley Ann" was surrendered at Lechfeld?"

On pp.203 &.205 - Post-War US Navy Trials, Aircraft 121442 (p.203), and Watson's Whizzers No.111. (p.205)

Col.

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Thanks Col

Changes made!

Cheers
Stig

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Dear All,

Referring to War Prizes, on page 188 Butler calls the aircraft "Beverly Ann", whereas on page 205, he calls it "Beverley Anne", so even in this single tome he is inconsistent. One has to remember that this book, published in 1994, was only the second of its kind, having been preceded in 1978 by Kenneth S. West's The Captive Luftwaffe, far outstripping this earlier work and proving to be the benchmark on the subject. Phil was helped considerably by Norman Malayney, who the next year published his own ATI and Operation Lusty 3-part series in the AAHS Journal. That doesn't say that everything each of these writers wrote was correct, but each represented substantial building blocks on the subject.

Now, if you go to page 188 of War Prizes, it becomes clear that much of the information about Baur's involvement came from his Flugbuch, including the spelling "Beverly Ann". In the Flugbuch, on May 30, 1945, Baur flew Vera with Caroli - a German, Capt. Ward, and Col. Watson, presumably the latter 2 for familiarization rides. He again flew Capt. Ward on June 1, 1945. On June 9, 1945, he checked out in Vera Lt. Strobel (sic), Capt. Hillis, Lt. Anspach, Capt. Dahlstrom, Lt. Holt, and Lt. Brown. The flights on June 9th were very short, lasting 5 to 8 minutes. In a recent communication with Roy Brown, he wrote: "We took off, flew the traffic pattern and landed - and then took the props off our AF insignia."

Now, getting back to W.Nr. 501232, "Beverly Ann", Butler states on page 188: "On 16th May Baur flew Beverly Ann from Munich-Riem to Lechfeld." In his Flugbuch, Baur gives the date as "15.5". Depending on the quality of the particular copy he had of Baur's Flugbuch, this could be misread as "16.5" However, I have a fairly decent copy and the "6's" that the recorder wrote on the same page are quite distinctive from the "5's". So, the date was clearly May 15, 1945.

Going up page 188, Butler claims that Strobell was assigned to Air Technical Intelligence on May 20, 1945 and arrived at Lechfeld on May 27, 1945. Thus, unless by pure happenstance he had found himself at Munich-Riem on May 15, 1945, he would not have been able to recall from memory this flight event.

Regards,
Richard

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Richard,

Thank you! For, in my mind, this nails the date as 15 May 1945. I, therefore, conclude that the caption of "...29 May 1945" or the identification of "...Yellow 5..." in the picture on p. 823 of Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume 4 (2000) is incorrect.

Jim

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Dear Jim,

I concur with your conclusion, i.e., that either the Me 262 is not W.Nr. 501232 or the photo was not taken on May 29, 1945. Like other benchmark books, the 4-volume Me 262 set by Smith and Creek set a new standard in detail on the Me 262's history. And, like other benchmark books, it had its errors. The 4-volume series represents the culmination of decades of research by Smith and Creek on the Me 262. It is very unlikely that another work this extensive will ever be published.

I believe this aircraft was produced at Budweis, Czechoslovakia. Of the remaining Me 262's, it is unique in having a standoff spray bar in front of the front windscreen. Other aircraft mounted the spray bars flush with the base of the windscreen and may have included segments for the 2 forward side windows as well.

This being W.Nr. 501232, it was the highest known Me 262 W.Nr. produced in Czechoslovakia and may have been one of the very last produced Me 262's.

There has been a mistake regarding a photo of an incomplete Me 262 with the number 238 on the bulkhead in front of the front 900 l fuel tank. The photo was taken at Kahla and obviously the aircraft was never completed and the "238" may not have been a Werknummer at all. Had W.Nr. 501238 been produced, it would have been built at Budweis.

The Me 262 Project, with guidance from the Messerschmitt Foundation, elected to pick up the Werknummer series for the new-build Me 262's, beginning with W.Nr. 501241.

Regards,
Richard

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many thank's jim and richard for this interesting discussion!very good info.
best regards,
max

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Thanks Richard

Has WNr 501232 been 100% confirmed by checking it at the USAF museum?

Also was 'yellow 5' the only Me 262 made flyable at Riem in May 1945? I can't understand how anyone can verify that is the aircraft in the top right corner in the photo on page 823 of Creek/Smith's vol 4....not even on the original one.
Since there is no reason to doubt Baur's logs I too agree, either the date is wrong or the Me 262 is something else than 'yellow 5'.

Cheers
Stig

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Dear Stig,

I have no details on the discovery of this aircraft's Werknummer. Sorry.

Regards,
Richard

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Hi Stig,

Regarding your questions, I can offer the following:

Way back in 1997 I determined that "Beverley Ann" / "Screamin Meemie" / "111" / "Reaper No. 20" / "BuAer 121442" was in fact "Yellow 5" WNr.501232. I based this on careful analysis of all the known photos of the aircraft and matching remnants of the camouflage pattern and dimensions of painted out German markings. In that year I was given permission to closely inspect the interior and exterior of the aircraft to determine if its werknummer was inscribed / painted on or in the aircraft. On my behalf, my colleague Mark Howard along with Robert E. Spaulding of the USAF Museum in Dayton spent about an hour closely inspecting the aircraft but did not find any additional markings that would confirm its werknummer. Nevertheless, I have no doubts whatsoever that “Beverley Ann” is “Yellow 5” and I shared all my information with the museum in 1998.

The photo described above was most likely taken on May 11, 1945 along with several others. The aircraft in the distant to right on the taxiway is “Yellow 5”. These images, while distant, show the aircraft in a combination of US and German markings.

There was a second flyable aircraft surrendered at Müchen-Riem on May 8 at the same time as Yellow 5. On that day, all the remaining jets in the Protectorate, about 15-20, were assembled at Saaz. Throughout the day, these aircraft were flown in groups or individually to the west by those pilots wanting to avoid Russian captivity. Two aircraft were flown to München-Riem departing at 1805 and landing around 1850 hours: "Black L" WNr.110836 of 2./KG51 flown by St.Kpt. Hptm. Rudolf Abrahamczik, and “Yellow 5” WNr.501232 of 9./KG(J) 6 flown by Lt. Heinrich Haeffner.

They had intended to fly further west and Dierich (1975, p.100) states that Haeffner's aircraft could not retract his landing gear due to a technical fault and thus the two aircraft diverted to München-Riem. Smith and Creek (1982, p.350-351) note that the aircraft "Yellow 5", WNr.501232 was "captured in a non-flyable condition." Close study of the background in various photographs reveals that the aircraft ended up at the northwestern corner of the München-Riem airfield (not Lechfeld as stated by the authors) and facing the same direction.

In his log book, Haeffner indicates that he flew an aircraft coded “7” (with a small chequer drawn before the number). Though a pilot with 2./KG 51, he flew a KG(J) 6 machine on that day. That he made an error in his book is probable given the circumstances and the aircraft coded “7” may have developed technical problems at the last minute requiring him to switch to a serviceable machine. Indeed, a 8./KG(J) 6 aircraft coded “Red 7” (WNr.5012??) was later discovered at Prague and given its werknummer and probably near identical camouflage and markings his confusion is understandable.

BTW, “Black L” ended up as “Jabo Bait” / “Doris” / “777” / “FE-110” / “T2-110” and was finally scrapped at Bolling Field, Washington D.C. in late 1947 after being on static exhibit for several years

You can find more information on these two aircraft in the JaPo book that I co-authored with Tomas Poruba and Ales Janda. Hope this helps

Cheers,

David

References

Dierich, W., 1975.
Kampfgeschwader “Edelweiss” - The History of a German Bomber Unit 1935-1945.
Ian Allan Ltd., London, 128p.

Smith, J. R., and Creek, E., J., 1982.
Jet Planes of the Third Reich.
Monogram Aviation Publications, Boylston, Massachusetts, 400 p.

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Thanks David (and Richard)

Appreciate your efforts, and I have no reason to doubt your conclusions.:)
I was just curious why the identification was made so late in the aircraft's life at Dayton.

Also thanks for correcting the date when the air to ground photo was taken.

BTW I do have your two JAPO books....:)

Cheers
Stig

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Dear David,

Left unanswered is from where was the W.Nr. of this aircraft determined? Since your 1997 physical exam failed to find the Werknummer in or on the aircraft, where did it come from? Back around 1958-59, the aircraft was stripped of its external paint down to bare metal, then painted a bogus gray with darker gray spots. Can you direct me to any evidence showing or listing this W.Nr. and then tie it to this aircraft?

In the famous photo of this aircraft where Watson is standing with a German at the side of this aircraft, presumably taken at Munich-Riem, is the German fellow Lt. Heinrich Haeffner rather than Kersting, which has previously been claimed? Dierich claims Haeffner was a First Lt. How reliable is Dierich's book?

Regards,
Richard

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Dear all,

A close look at the officer standing with Col. Watson shows he is indeed wearing the insignia of an Oberleutnant.

Jim

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Hi Richard,

I answered your question in my first paragraph: I compared photos of it taken immediately after its surrender when still in German markings against those taken after its arrival in the USA (January 1946 under USN charge I believe). In the latter, traces of the German markings and camouflage pattern are visible bleeding through the US paint and precisely match those in the former. There is no US documentation of its werknummer as it was overpainted, and would have been removed when it was stripped during its 'restoration' in the mid-1950s.

Jim, I am in no doubt that the fellow next to Watson is Haeffner. I do have access to Haeffner's Luftwaffe documents and will look to confirm his rank. It is quite possible I have made an error here.

Stig, beats me why no one bothered to dig into this. I'd like to think it was the passage of time and later ability to access data and documents, and especially fellow enthusiasts that made it possible and greatly assisted by the internet. I also believe that Phil Butler's outstanding research and book profoundly advanced our ability to identify many aircraft over the subsequent years. Indeed, his is the most-thumbed and consulted book in my library.

Cheers,

David

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IH,mr.Brown
do you have data of heinrich haeffner,when and where is born?
thank's,max

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Max,

When I get home this evening I'll go through my files and see what I have.

Cheers,

David

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oook,many thank's.max

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Hi Max,

Heinrich Alfred HAEFFNER, born 18 November 1921 in Freiburg im Breisgau.

Regarding his rank, in his diary he refers to himself as an Oberleutnant (entry of 6 May, 1945). At the end of the diary, he lists of all the KG 51 pilots along with their unit, awards and general comments (fates, promotions, etc.). Of himself he wrote "Lt. Haeffner" of "2." Staffel with the 2. and 1. classes of the Iron Cross ("Ordnung 2.1.") and, "B Oberleutnant". The 'B' is indicated as standing for "Beförderung" (promotion), so it appears that he ended up an Oberleutnant and was likely made so during the last weeks of the war. His Wehrpass is cryptic here and I think there is a note indicating that he was promoted on 8 May 1945 (not an uncommon event on that day).

Cheers,

David

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Wow,precious!many thank's,i hope you have a good day;Max

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Hi David,

Congratulations. You've proven that the officer with Watson is indeed Oberleutnant Haeffner and not Hauptmann Hermann Kersting as captioned on p.211 in American Raiders.

Thank you

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Hi Jim,

Thanks. Long ago when researching Yellow 5 I got a large, crisp example of the Watson photo. About five years ago I studied the Luftwaffe officer's badges and determined he was an Oblt. and not a Hptm. Looking at other similar photos it dawned on met that they were all taken the same day (May 9th) when Col. Watson visited M-R. I thought perhaps that maybe the officer was the pilot of Yellow 5. A quick look through my books for photos of Haeffner and comparison to the officer with Col. Watson revealed a perfect match.

On his Oblt. rank, I looked through Robert Forsyth's book on Me 262 Bomber and Recon Units (Osprey) and he starts off identifying him as a Lt. and then later as an Oblt. Perhaps Doug or Larry has the precise information in their Luftwaffe Offizer compilation when this promotion occurred.

Cheers,

David

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Dear David,

From where did you get the date for Watson's visit to Munich-Riem?

Regards,
Richard

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Hi Richard,

I base the May 9th estimate on photos, and, the recollections of Hptm. Heinz Braun (KG 200) as presented in Norm Malayney’s JAAHS article (p.23).

On May 8th Braun flew the Ju 290 A-4 “A3+HB” WNr.110165 from Koniggraz to München-Riem loaded with women, children and wounded. He stated that “…on the following day, I believe, I met with Col. Watson. On 10 May, I flew with Watson as co-pilot in the Ju 290 from Munich to Roth near Nuremburg…” The "following day" would have been May 9th.

As well, there are a number of published photos of Col. Watson inspecting various aircraft types at M-R (Me 262 (Yellow 5), Do 335 (102), He 111, Ju 290 (A3+HB), etc.) that appear to have come from his collection and taken on the same time (mid-day in bright sunshine). As well, he had his photo taken with Haeffner around Yellow 5 that was still in its German markings and out in the middle of the airfield at mid-day. The well known series of aerial photos was taken on May 15th (six days later) and Yellow 5 is now seen in a combination of US and German markings.

I should think that Col. Watson would have wanted to get to M-R ASAP as there were now several flyable aircraft here (especially Me 262s), so think May 9th is the most likely date of his visit. Anyway, that’s my best guess given the available information.

Cheers,

David

Reference:

Malayney, N., 1995.
ATI and Operation Lusty – Part 1
Journal, American Aviation Historical Society, Spring, 1995, p.16-25.