Name of a village near Rschew
 

Hi all,

Attached is a scan of the back of photo. As far as I can make out it reads "bei Roro???? (Rschew)".

Can any one identify this village near Rshew?

Thanks in advance,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

My immediate thought was BORODINO, ENE of Vyazma and SE of Rzhev.

L.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Seems to be:

village Rorowino ???

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

in the Russian no basis word "Roro ..."
May be "Korovino" - NW Rzhev
Regards,
Kirill

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

The first letter is a Sütterlin "K"; the last a sloppy Sütterlin "o". I would go for written "Korowino" which would confirm Kirill´s reading.

Regards

Roland

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Korovino
There are at least 36 of them in Russia. This is the only one I could locate in Tver Oblast, which is the same Oblast where Rzhev is located:
- 173 km ENE of Rzhev and 46 km NNE of Klin at 56 42 52 N – 37 01 14 E. It appears to be just about the furthest point of advance of 3. Panzergruppe on 5 December 1941.

L.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Sorry, but "коровы" (cows) in the Tver region is not less than the cows in Texas...
http://www.etomesto.ru/map-atlas_ost...31&y=56.358108
Alternatively versions, the same look map

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

So Korovino it is. Thanks everyone for your help. Very much appreciated.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

It seems I spoke too soon. The place I'm looking for was still in german occupation in the spring of 1942.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

So this would read "bei Korowino (Rschew)" - perhaps this was a suburb or district of Rzhev that was destroyed in the heavy fighting for the town or had its name changed or deleted after the war? I think "bei" was/is used to indicate close by in the sense of a radius of not more than 10-15 kilometers?

L.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

What is in the photo and roughly when was it taken ? That may help place the village.

Oquaig

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

The writing was on the back of a photo of a belly landed Ju 88. Attached is the photo concerned. Some other photos of the same aircraft have been seen with the landscape covered with a thick layer of snow. Most likely this Ju 88 belly landed early 1942.

Attached is a scan of the back of a second photo of the same a/c. Can anyone read what it says there?

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Open terrain, rolling hills, no tree line in sight and the aircraft sitting on the ground with no snow...the region around Rzhev was covered in snow from November 1941 to April 1942 and largely forested. Multiple photos, but is there an ID on the aircraft ?

Without more info on the aircraft and assuming it is in open space near Rzhev my guess it is near Korobino, to the SE of Rzhev, and 6 km south of Zubtsov. This place was in German hands until the end of July 1942.

Oquaig

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Hi oquaig,

The Ju 88 concerned is B3+AP of 6./KG54. Attached is a photo of the a/c in snow covered area.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

What does the script "Zerstörer" on the backside mean?

Regards

RolandF

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

That's what it means! Thanks for deciphering it for me, Roland. Apparently an error by the former owner of the photo. It clearly isn't a Zerstörer but a bomber.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Is the Wk.Nr 3649 ?

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Unfortunately I don't know the WNr.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Unfortunately, I have only a very fragmented loss list for KG 54. Maybe some one else out there can fill in the blanks for us. At best all I can say is that this aircraft was brought down some time in the late winter-early spring of 1942. oquaig

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Here are the possibilities during all snow months:

04.05.41 – Ju 88 A5 – 6142 – B3+AP – 6./54 – Nachtjäger/Beaufighter – 100% - Fw. Jeruschke – Dorset.
05.11.41 – Ju 88 A5 – 6270 – B3+?? – II./54 – Techn. Mängel/Notldg. – 65% - Uffz. Bruber – b. Lesewaja.
02.02.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 6630 – B3+?P – 6./54 – Erdabwehr/Bauchldg. – 40% - ? – Orscha.
18.02.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 1454 – B3+?P – 6./54 – Techn. Mängel – 30% - ? – Orscha.
04.03.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 3649 – B3+?P – 6./54 – Flak/Notlandung – 100% - ? – b.Rshew.
23.03.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 5702 – B3+?P – 6./54 – Beschuss/Notlandung – 45% - ? – Orscha.
09.04.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 3679 – B3+?? – II./54 – Fehlstart – 30% - ? – Orscha.
10.04.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 1454 – B3+?? – II./54 – Bedienungsfehler – 30% - ? – Orscha.
14.04.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 3654 – B3+?? – II./54 – Beschuss/Bauchldg. – 20% - Ofw. Fehler - Orscha.
21.01.44 – Ju 88 A4 – 550296 – B3+AP – 6./54 – unknown – 100% - Oblt. Helwig - London.

Note the one near Rshev on 04.03.42.

L.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

That is what caught my eye...four losses/damage near Rzhev on 4 March 1942:

04.03.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 1696 – ? – II./54 – 35% – b.Rshew.
04.03.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 3651 – B3+AM – 4./54 – 100% – b.Rshew.
04.03.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 3649 – ? – 6./54 – 100% – b.Rshew.
04.03.42 – Ju 88 A4 – 3687 – B3+JM – 4./54 – 100% – b.Rshew.


oquaig

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

WNr 1696 was a Stab II./KG54 a/c so that one was coded B3+?C. I think WNr 3649 is the best candidate for B3+AP. To be certain we have to wait untill a photo showing the WNr will appear on eBay.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Hi,
Northeast 20 km of the city of Zubtsov (near the river Volga), we found the crash site of a Ju-88.
Found a piece of plastic marked with signs (in pencil) the type of aircraft "...88"
W/N "21 ..." or "...91" or "..218" or "918"...

And even in the area of the Rzhev-Zubtsov-Sychevka found another Ju-88. Luke 50*80 cm - filled with W/N 6626 of the aircraft (?) .

it's 1941-1942?
Do you know of a suitable loss in the area?
regards,
Kirill

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Here is a little more.............

Two missions were carried out in the heavily contested area around Rzhev on 04.03.42. The first mission of 25 Ju 88s claimed the destruction of 18 trucks. The second mission of 11 Ju 88s claimed 2 field guns and 5 trucks destroyed. Three Ju 88s were totally lost and 1 more was heavily damaged due to concentrated Flak and fighter defenses. Ju 88 B3+?P (3649) lost an engine from a Flak hit and made an emergency landing in German-occupied territory. The Ju 88 B3+AM was shot down in Russian territory and the crew reported MIA. Ju 88 B3+IM made a forced landing after being shot up by fighters and the crew returned safely and unwounded. Ju 88 B3+BC from the Stab was shot up over the target area wounding Lt. Hanak-Hammerl but managed to return to base where it made a belly landing.
[RADTKE, Siegfried. Kampfgeschwader 54. 1990. ISBN 3-88014-098-7. pp. 135 and 139.]

L.

Re: Name of a village near Rschew
 

Thanks for the info, Larry. Very much appreciated. Looks like WNr 3649 is the best candidate for B3+AP.

Regards,
Rudi.