F1+LM and F1+HP
 

Hello,

can someone help me with details (crew, WNr., ...) on two planes of II/KG76 lost during night 11 to 12 april 1944 over the Med. : F1+LM and F1+HP.

Thanks in advance

Claude

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Claude,

I guess from your posts that you are working on something about the convoy attacks in the Mediterranean in early 1944. If that is so, why not start a single thread on that subject, so that all your questions are in one place?

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You are perfectly true Nick, but I always fear that a question too long and dense does not get any response.

Claude

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301465 crew POW & 550732 Palma de Mallorca

-Ed

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Thanks Ed,

but I thought 550732 was the WNr of Ju-88 A-17 3Z+AT (pilot Uffz. Kurt Langendorf) of 9./K.G.77 which landed in Spain following operation of night 11 to 12 july 1944. Info found on following site (but the source may be incorrect) :

http://incidentessgm.blogspot.fr/sea...kers%20Ju%2088

Regards

Claude

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Have Kurt Lanzendorf on 622601 3Z+AT. Unfortunately Websites are not the holy truth, unfortunately they are as good as it happens (or as bad) but errors can be there as well in NVM, it happens; but info is from Luftwaffe NVM, very meticulusly compiled at WASt by our TOCH! member Matti Salonen. -Ed

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Like this one:

• El día 20 de mayo de 1943 un Ju-88 A-4, del III/KG40, numeral Wnr. 882441 y 4D+KS, basado en Villacidro, cerca de Cagliari, hizo un aterrizaje forzoso en la playa de San Salvador (Tarragona). Posteriormente se trasladó a Calafell, siendo desmontado un mes después y enviado por ferrocarril a Albacete, donde se utilizó como avión de enseñanza. El avión tuvo en el E.A. el número de serie 29-19 y B.6-19

Oblt. Walter Hortmann - Piloto
Ogfr. Horst Dechner - Observador
Gefr. Herbert Murchallitz - Artillero
Ogfr. Eberhard Seitz - Radio

In losses this is reported A4 2441 4D+KS in GQM losses (Lfd. 87 25.05.43)
because correct number is 0880142441 (Siebel) not 882441 as that was A-5 airplane assembled by Arado (with also more correct number 0882441). -Ed

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Thanks you for the clarification Ed.

Claude

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See the attached document.

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Thanks Nick,

the same crew was lost on 21 april 1945 :
Uffz.Kurt Langendorf
Uffz Stephan Schmädicke
Obgefr. Hans Holländer
Fw. Werner Jorden

Can someone help me with the crew of F1+LM and F1+HP ? There were probably ADI(k) Reports as there was at least 1 POW for F1+HP.

Claude

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I guess you are saying I am right, right? http://i64.tinypic.com/copjm.jpg

-Ed

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Perfectly Ed. My apologies, I did not realize that my message was confusing.

Claude

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Which unit were they flying with, so late in the war, KG 26?

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according Alexander Steenbeck, 6 planes of II/KG26 and 2 of III/KG26 were lost on that date, shot down by Mosquitoes, while trying to attack a convoy on the east coast of Scotland. Langendorf's crew is listed in the losses of II/K.G.26.

Claude

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II/KG 26 21 April 45 was "Nordsee massacre"

"The last large Torpedo Bomber mission was flown on 21.04.1945 when force of eighteen (ten Ju 88, eight Ju 188) torpedo bombers were decimated at sea off south-west of Norway (POS 5120N/0300E ~ PLQ 05öst/3857). Nine were claimed by (42) Mosquitoes of the Banff Strike Wing (i.e. 144, 235 and 238 SQ) in addition to four Norwegian manned Mosquitoes of 333 SQ, when they were returning from strike on Danish Airfields. Two of them are reported to have returned, only to bellyland in Norway. (Actually II/KG 26 lost six Ju 88 A-17 machines and III/KG 26 losing one or two Ju 188 A-3). They had all flown from Stavanger/Sola and were after any Allied convoy or ships off Scotland, in area north of Peterhead." (my manuscript)

Severe overclaiming.

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From my own "Kampfflieger Vol. 4" (Classic Publications, 2005):

[Mosquitoes encountered] 18 Ju 88s and Ju 188s of II. and III./KG 26 on an armed reconnaissance to the coast of Scotland, claiming nine shot down in the ensuing, unequal action. German sources suggest that only six Ju 88s were in fact lost but that four others were damaged. Two Mosquitoes were claimed although none was lost.

I can't remember now what specific sources I was referring to.

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Hello,

I have finally found them :

for F1+HP :
Uffz Willi Ommer Pilot dead
Uffz Gerhard Drössler Observer POW
Uffz Hans Neef Radio POW
Uffz Günther Gleixner POW

for F1+LM :
Uffz Karl Kermayer Pilot dead
Uffz Kurt Prengel observer dead
Uffz Hans Ranat radio POW

but there is one more question : was a fouth crew member present aboard
F1+LM ? And if so, can someone identify him ?

Thanks in advance

Claude

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Hello,

it seems I made a mistake :

for F1+HP :
Uffz Karl Kermayer Pilot dead
Uffz Kurt Prengel observer dead
Uffz Hans Ranat radio POW

for F1+LM :
Uffz Willi Ommer Pilot dead
Uffz Gerhard Drössler Observer POW
Uffz Hans Neef Radio POW
Uffz Günther Gleixner POW

So my question is : was a fouth crew member present aboard
F1+HP ? And if so, can someone identify him ?

All my apologies for my mistake !

Claude