Peter Horn
 

Hello,

is it known if Danish top ace Peter Horn scored his kills in a Bf109 or a Fw190 ?

Michael

Re: Peter Horn
 

Meanwhile, a very tiny wikipedia entry has been created which refers to this website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130921...ots.php?id=160

Re: Peter Horn
 

You still keep posting the fake information on Horn. He never joined the Luftwaffe, wich I have proven beyond any doubt in postings in this forum. Based on original German and Danish archive material. A website like this has no original sources other than books. The only dane with any victories is Sommer with 3 confirmed.
Junker

Re: Peter Horn
 

Jörn,

With respect,you are attempting to reason with an individual who is mentally incaple of judging the relative merits of differing sources of information.This is not the only case of an individual such as yourself self trying to be helpful,but anyone replying to Knusel simply wastes their time.An inability to judge evidence on its merits on his part renders any post from him or reply to it futile.

Regards,


Clint

Re: Peter Horn
 

Birksted (RAF) has more kills than Sommer and I did not I say that I believe this entry. But I'm still interested in how and when the myth about a Danish pilot having scored more kills than Birksted has started and why.

Re: Peter Horn
 

I was talking about the danes in Luftwaffe. The myth was started by the late Hans Ring as stated before.
Junker

Re: Peter Horn
 

Peter is the most numerous given name among Germans and Horn is a typical German family name. May it be that there has been a non-Danish individual in JG51 who is not the same as the Danish guy ?
Keep in mind some people even confuse the night fighter Günther Bertram with the day fighter Günther Bertram.

Re: Peter Horn
 

There is another Horn in JG 51 according to Hans Ring.
Junker

Re: Peter Horn
 

This book:
https://www.amazon.de/Jagdgeschwader.../dp/3613010453
contains a very large JG51 scorer list and if memory serves me well a Mr Horn without given name is also included. Unfortunately, I left the book in Germany when I emigrated to Switzerland.

Re: Peter Horn
 

...I received it back. The entries for Horn are:

• Uffz. Horn III. total: 3 kills, all with JG51
• Lt. Horn I. total: 10+ kills, 10 with JG51

Re: Peter Horn
 

Clint

You are totally out of order. Obviously respect is low on your assessment of other members. Michael is a professional medical consultant.

i hope that you are man enough to offer an apology.

Brian

PS: I've received my share of abuse on this Forum.

Re: Peter Horn
 

Good evening Brian,

I'm not a member of any non-airwar-forum but I was told that disproportionate aggressiveness has become a wide-spread problem in the internet. Misanthropes feel free to abuse forums for their offences because they don't have to face any consequences and ANY kind of reaction by the other members only seems to stimulate them further. Without the benefit of proper forum moderation all that the friendly members can do is to ignore them and to concentrate on the other friendly forum members.

Peter Horn seems to be a delicate case and threads about him often receive a large about of hate speech. That raises the suspicion that he was real indeed, and not only a hoax. If that's the case than the lack of clear info about him might be due to a purposeful attempt to erase him from history for reasons that can easily be imagined.

All the best to you and your current projects,

Michael

Re: Peter Horn
 

That may well have been the case when he posted his comment in February 2022, Brian but in my view it’s better not to reignite that particular fire getting on for more than two years later. Of course I’d urge everyone to be polite to one another now and in future.

Re: Peter Horn
 

The dane Peter Horn was a real person, and served with the danish airforce pre war. He never joined the Luftwaffe but was a member of the danish nazi party, and therefore expelled from any military sevice in 1945. He went on to be an innkeper. But I have published thise facts before in this forum.
Junker

Re: Peter Horn
 

Michael

The old thread is here
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...t=45932&page=8

Since Jörn has proven time and again that the DANE Peter Horn was not in the Luftwaffe,
why are you constantly trying to disprove that?

Using old and dated internet data is useless since they are wrong.

Johannes Mathews in his Aces biographies has no Horn listed at all. Obviously there were
one or more individual who belonged to JG 51 with his lastname listed as Horn, but lacking
any given name, meaning we don't even know if that name was Peter or not.

In a list sent to me by Johannes post his books, he has unfortunately included the faulty
"Peter Horn" data, no doubt due to the "pressure" on this site!
I don't know if he has removed him since.

I have no way of knowing if we have an unknown Peter Horn with JG 51 or if the data originally given
by Hans Ring was just a fantasy made up by him.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Peter Horn
 

Johannes Matthews didn't find suitable claims for a guy named Lt. Horn, which is indeed a strong argument for the acedom issue being a hoax.