Luftwaffe 1940 - IWM gun camera film. Recommended.
 

Hi all,

Below is a link to a 16 minute piece of film taken during the Battle of Britain.
You will recognise clips but I certainly had not seen most of this.

It is a compilation of many of the RAF gun camera attacks on Luftwaffe a/c.
Each clip shows a brief detail of the combat including pilot, aircraft involved and the date. Especially poignant as I noticed many names who did survive the battle. A few combats are stated as being 110s but I believe are D017s.

Anyway, I hope this is of interest.
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/it...ect/1060013903

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What's even more interesting is the second clip (No.51) of F/Sgt Franklin's Spitfire of No.65 Sqn seems to show what appears to be a Bf109 with rounded wing tips dated the 7 July 1940...

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mmmmmmmm...

I suspect the date is wrong? The Me109 F did not see any action until October 1940.

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That's what I thought... :)

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To me it looks even like a Bf 109 G-6 rather than an F with that rather massive tail wheel visible in some shots; at least that was my first Impression.

KR

Jochen Prien

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I dare say it maybe friendly fire on a Hurricane.

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Looks like a Hurricane to me as well. It's actually the second aircraft that comes into the frame. Perhaps his wingman entered the frame and the first aircraft seen was the initial target.

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Combat Film No 39. Pilot Officer Gruokinsky [?] of 308 Squadron on 22/7/1941 at unspecified time, flying unidentified aircraft ("R8372"). Target: Messerschmitt Me 109.

See on the right in the link (scroll down).

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The 109 in question certain looks like a Hurricane to me and Rhodes-Moorehouse is nailing a Do.17.

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Combat Film No. 157 shows a friendly fire incident. The first attacks were on a He111 formation, but the fighter coming into view (14:51) is definitely a Hurricane which is hit on the wings.

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[quote=Clint Mitchell;216808]What's even more interesting is the second clip (No.51) of F/Sgt Franklin's Spitfire of No.65 Sqn seems to show what appears to be a Bf109 with rounded wing tips dated the 7 July 1940...

As has already been pointed out this is a No.79 Squadron Hurricane. 'Dimsie' STONES documented the facts of the matter in his autobiography (1990).

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Interesting, thank you Peter C! I doubt the pilot was too impressed about the incident!

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No, they were not. Their CO was killed in this action but if that was down to Spitfires or otherwise remains unconfirmed. Another Hurricane under attack appears in the FEARY combat footage (14.29) of 26 September 1940 although, apparently, he filed no claims.

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So... no Bf 109 F over Britain on 7 July 1940 after all? How strange.

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Yes silly me for thinking that that of all things a Bf109 with rounded wingtips would be flying around the UK in July 1940. Even after researching quite deeply into the operational use of the Bf109F by JG51 in the Autumn of 1940. However it would perhaps make another fantastical story which you could include in your next emblem booklet Sinisi?

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Clint, thank you for your kind note. It is Sinisa, not Sinisi.

Please spare me your arrogance here. Anything private you wish to address, please send me a PM, or e-mail, I will be happy to delete it without reading.

One has to start somewhere. Not everything was right in my "booklet", but there were some positives too.

I have spent past four years or so reviewing my inputs, communicating with people on the TOCH and elsewhere, and generally investing in my knowledge on the subject. I know that I will never be able to reach your intellectual highs, and lows, but still....

Otherwise, I remember you, vaguely, from the LEMB. You made some 6,000 posts, out of which approximately 3,000 were.. "Thank you, Peter! :)". Yet, today you are one of the foremost experts on anything to do with the Luftwaffe, which is certainly marked improvement.

The future of this field of research belongs to you. Surely.

Sinisa

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It's interesting how several of the clips appear to show the aftermath of the combat.
Willie Rhodes-Moorhouses' Ju88 attack on 16th July may show the luftwaffe crew in their dingy after the a/c has sunk. I guess he may have been out of ammo at this point and was using the remaining cine-film to confirm the kill (and not attacking the crew in the water).

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Post #16:

A bit hypocritical of you to speak of arrogance when taking into consideration your completely unwarranted, useless and sarcastic input in post #14 of this topic.

The discussion was flowing quite nicely concerning the issues of mistaken identity and friendly fire incidents during WW2 that these films have shown us.

I make no claim of being an expert in anything for the spectrum is too vast to adequately research in it's entirety during anyone's life time, but for the niches and areas that interest me I am quite content with what is being discovered on an almost daily basis.