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Richard Mills 24th July 2016 12:13

Kampfgeschwader 30 Signatures
 
I am currently researching two Soldbucher from former members of Kampfgeschwader 30, and am having difficulty in putting names to signatures.

They both served primarily within I./Kampfgeschwader 30 however, they both also spent time in IV./Kampfgeschwader 30 also.

There are several signatures which I need help with, and I shall post them piece by piece, starting with the attached from Page 3 of one of the Soldbucher which all relate to 2./KG 30 and Stab KG 30.

As always any help whatsoever will be very well received.

Regards Richard.

Richard Mills 28th July 2016 14:20

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In the hope that identification might become easier; I have attached another example of the signature in entries No 2 and No 3 above;

Richard Mills 28th July 2016 14:22

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...and another example of entry No 4.

Richard Mills 28th July 2016 14:24

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Finally, another example of the signature in entry No 5 from the same Soldbuch.

All help as alays will be very well received.

Regards Richard.

lilsis 28th July 2016 14:34

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Hi.,

Last one for me Reisinger

Richard Mills 28th July 2016 15:19

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lilsis

Many thanks indeed for your help with this, both on this thread and via PM.

Using Larry & Doug's Luftwaffe Officer Career Summaries;

With regards to entries No 2 & No 3;

The only Stahl I can find that 'might' be match is below however, there is no info for the time period of July-1941 but he is the only KG 30 Oblt. that I can find.

STAHL, Alfons. (DOB: 09.09.16). 17.01.43 Hptm., appt Staka 11./KG 30 (to 04.06.43?). 04.06.43 Oblt., 8./KG 30 MIA - Ju 88 A-4 (4D+ES) lost vic Algiers to unknown cause.

For entry No 4, your suggestion of v. Goldacker is spot on!

GOLDACKER, Joachim von. (DOB: 23.08.11). 1941 trf to I./KG 30. 1941 trf to 10./KG 30. 1942 trf to 1./KG 30. 1942 appt Staka 2./KG 30. 01.04.43 in IV./KG 30, promo to Hptm. 09.08.43 Hptm., awarded Ehrenpokal. 17.09.43 Hptm. and Staka 2./KG 30. 1944 appt flight instructor with LKS 3. 1945 appt Stafü 1./NSGr. 30.

For entry No 5, rather than Resinger, how about Reisiger which I think is the man in question?

REISIGER, Rudolf. 1940 with 2./KG 30. 20.10.41 Lt, awarded the Ehrenpokal. IV./KG 30. 01.01.44 promo to Hptm.

Thanks again lilsis, it is much appreciated.

Can anyone add anything else, or confirm the above? All help will be gratefully recieved.

Regards Richard.

lilsis 29th July 2016 16:51

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Hi again


yes, if i take a Look with Lens the i is direct before g , it wil be Reisiger,
sorry for First Bad answer,

Richard Mills 29th July 2016 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lilsis (Post 221353)
Hi again, yes, if i take a Look with Lens the i is direct before g , it wil be Reisiger, sorry for First Bad answer,

No need to apologise Ursula, you help is very welcome. Reisiger it is for signature on entry Nr 4 on the original posting.

I shall post some more from these KG 30 Soldbucher later, thanks again.

Regards Richard.

Richard Mills 29th July 2016 23:29

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A couple more.....

Hauptmann u. Staka 10./Kampfgeschwader 30, dated 22-February-1941.

Richard Mills 29th July 2016 23:31

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Oberleutnant u. Stada 12./Kampfgeschwader 30, dated 22-December-1943.

lilsis 30th July 2016 07:29

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Hi again,

After watching again, first letters Sch , then the long "slang - mostly a m, mm or nn, then alz, so t think from this : Schmalz

Merlin 30th July 2016 13:39

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Erg.St./KG 30 Hptm. Heinrich Paepcke
12./KG 30 Oblt. Kurt Schmalz

Richard Mills 30th July 2016 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lilsis (Post 221383)
Hi again, After watching again, first letters Sch , then the long "slang - mostly a m, mm or nn, then alz, so t think from this : Schmalz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 221390)
Erg.St./KG 30 Hptm. Heinrich Paepcke
12./KG 30 Oblt. Kurt Schmalz

Ursula and Gerhard, thank you both very much indeed for your help with these.

Heinrich Paepcke was a nice surprise! I was not expecting a posthumous Eichenlaubtrager signature!

I hope to post some more later today, thanks again.

Regards Richard.

Richard Mills 30th July 2016 20:43

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Some more......

Oberleutnant u. Stafu. 11./Kampfgeschwader 30, dated 28-September-1943.

Richard Mills 30th July 2016 20:49

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This is the last one from the first of the two KG 30 Soldbucher, and I will be amazed if a name can be derived from this!

Buried among the attached are 2 signatures, dated October-1943 the original holder transferred from 11./Kampfgeschwader 30 to 12./Kampfgeschwader 30 at this time.

Any help will be gratefully received.

Regards Richard.

Richard Mills 1st August 2016 21:22

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Now some signatures which need a name from the second KG 30 Soldbuch, unfortunately this Soldbuch is in extremely worn and fragile condition and has suffered from water damage at some point.

That said, hopefully someone might be able to help even with the poor state of some of the signatures.

As always, any help is well recieved.

Regards Richard.

First one is a Leutnant from Stabschwarm Kampfgeschwader 30 dated 01-October-1942. I appreciate that this might be nigh on impossible however, I am hoping that someone can read the signature.

Richard Mills 1st August 2016 21:25

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Another Lueutnant, this time signed on 02-March-1942 whie the original holder of the Soldbuch was serving in 3./Kampfgeschwader 30.

Richard Mills 1st August 2016 21:28

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Last one for now.

An Oberleutnant from 3./Kampfgeschwader 30 dated 08-June-1942.

Many thanks in advance for any help whatsoever.

Regards Richard.

Richard Mills 3rd August 2016 00:50

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A Hauptmann signature dated 11-December-1942, at this time the original holder of the Soldbuch was serving in the Stabsschwarm IV./Kampfgeschwader 30.

Richard Mills 3rd August 2016 00:53

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Oberleutnant u. Fuhrer des Stabsschwarms, dated 20-December-1941 while the original owner was serving with 3./Kampfgeschwader 30.

Richard Mills 3rd August 2016 00:56

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....and finally......the last one.

Oberleutnant und Staka. 3./Kampfgeschwader 30, dated May-1942.

Hopefully, the signature is not too worn and faded for identification.

Regards Richard.

Ian Jewison 10th August 2016 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Mills (Post 221556)
....and finally......the last one.

Oberleutnant und Staka. 3./Kampfgeschwader 30, dated May-1942.

Hopefully, the signature is not too worn and faded for identification.

Regards Richard.

Hi Richard,

I told you that one some time ago......Oberleutnant Adolf von Harnier.

From Larry's officer careers:

HARNIER, Adolf von. 09.10.39 Oblt., trf from III.(K)/LG 1 to I.(J)/LG 2. 07.41 Oblt., Staka 3./KG 30. 17.10.41 Oblt. and Staka, awarded the Ehrenpokal. 16.06.42 Hptm. and Ia in Stab/KG 30 at Banak. 01.43 Hptm., appt provisional Kdr. II./KG 30 (to 17.06.43). 17.06.43 trf to Frontflieger-Sammelgruppe. 22.06.43 trf to RLM (Gen.d.Kampfflieger). 01.10.43 promo to Maj. 12.43 Maj. and IIa und Adj./Gen.d.Kampfflieger. 15.11.44 appt Ia/KG 200 (to 06.03.45). 06.03.45 Maj., appt Kommodore KG200 (to 25.04.45).

/Ian

Richard Mills 10th August 2016 19:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Jewison (Post 221899)
Hi Richard, I told you that one some time ago......[font=&quot]Oberleutnant Adolf von Harnier.

Ian

Are you sure on this? The attached is the one which you indicated is v. Harnier and it looks nothing like the last example I posted.

Both signatures are radically different?!?

Regards Richard.

Richard Mills 7th September 2016 18:42

Kampfgeschwader 30 Signatures
 
Time to clean this thread up a little I think.

Pleased to be able to say that the signature in Post Nr. 2 has been positively identified, and cross referred to documents and signed photographs, as RKT Hauptmann Konrad Kahl.

I wil re-post examples of the signatures still to identify later this evening. A massive thank you to all those who have offered help both on this thread and via PM. It really is much appreciated.

Regards Richard.


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