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Jens 25th April 2006 10:51

Hitlers Fw-200
 
What happened to Hitlers Fw-200 Condor? Does anybody know the Werknr. of this planes?

Horst Kube 25th April 2006 12:29

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Hi,
here is a photo of Hitlers Fw 200, named Grenzmark.
The W.-Nr. I don't know, but the ac signs were D-ACVH.

All the best,
Horst

Skyraider3D 25th April 2006 12:42

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Hitler had several Fw 200s during the course of the war. Most famous is a Fw 200 V3 (A-0) called Immelmann III (D-2600, later WL-2600 and 26+00). WerkeNr = 3099.
Another machine used by Hitler is Fw 200 C-4/U1 with registration CE+IB which wore full east front winter Luftwaffe markings. I'd have to look up the WerkeNr. if it's known at all.

"Grenzmark" was a Führer escort aircraft with WerkeNr. 3098. It crashed on 23 Dec. 1941 in the Soviet Union.

More here (in German): http://www.flugzeugforum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=6637

Dan Gilberti 25th April 2006 12:47

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
The pic from horst is the Wk 3098 crash in landing in Orel Russia am 23.12.41

Perhaps Hitler have diverses Fw 200, Dönitz has one, Himler too ..

For AH i found Fw200 Wk 3099 A-0 V3 S9 26+00 certainly D-ARHU
named Immelmann III .

This plane was given for to be destroyed by alied bombing circa 18/1/44

Best Regards, Dan

Jens 25th April 2006 17:00

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Hi!

Thanks for the Infos so far.

Does anybody which Fw-200 was used by Hitler during his visit at Heeresgruppe Mitte (Smolensk) in March 1943 (13th March 1943)?

edit: I believe this, but not sure.
Fw 200 A09; WNr. 3099

Skyraider3D 25th April 2006 17:07

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
That would probably be CE+IB, but that's more my guess than anything else. CE+IB was painted in full easfront winter livery at some point.
Issue #8 of Luftfahrt International has an article on this machine and the other Fw 200s used by Hitler. You might want to try and find it on Ebay.de. It has a number of nice photos and drawings.

Jens 26th April 2006 09:37

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Good hint!

Does anybody know the book of Nowara about Fw-200? Whats your appreciaton?

robert_schulte 26th April 2006 10:30

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
According to Nowarra's book CE+IB had the Werk-Nr. 0137 (second picture). The same book says that TK+CV, Werk-Nr 0240, was used by Hitler to visit the Ostfront in 1943.

Jens 27th April 2006 13:55

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Thanks so far.

John Beaman 27th April 2006 15:56

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
You might want to check Hitler's Squadron by Sweeting, published by Brassy's in 2002. It does not have a detailed WNr listing of the Fw 200 a/c but has lots of text and photos.

Joe Peterburs 3rd October 2006 20:49

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Thought you would all be interested in the attaced damage reprt from Shonwalde airfield for 10 April 1945. Beween 1500 and 1520, shortly after I broke off from Walter Schuck I was straffing Shonwalde. Among the aircraft I claimed destroying during this action was an FW-200. A couple of weeks ago I received the following from a researcher friend (Mario Schulze) who has done extensive researcher on the aerial combat in and arround Oranienberg on 10 April 1945.

"The most interresting page is page No.4, wich reports damages done by straffing US fighter plane in the area of middle Germany. They mostly attacking airfields around Berlin and straffing trains and rail yards in central Germany. I was most surprised by an statement, under the Para “Bordwaffenangriffe auf Fliegerhorste – Board weapon attacks on airfields”, about an ground straffing at the Schönwalde airfield.
The entry means as follows: “Schönwalde at 15.05 and 15.10 hours BOWA (means Bordwaffen – Boardweapon),
2 (two) ground attacks by each 1 (one) Mustang.
1(one) Fw-200
1(one) He-111 destroyed.
1(one) Ju-52 slightly damaged. “

As your MACR’s stating was Schönwalde the last known position of you . That means, this report confirming the results of your ground attack. Congratulation! The Fw-200 was one of Hitler’s flight squadron.

Tally Ho

Mario"

He sent me a copy of the original report but I was unable to attach it.

Hauptmann 4th October 2006 22:44

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens
Hi!
Does anybody which Fw-200 was used by Hitler during his visit at Heeresgruppe Mitte (Smolensk) in March 1943 (13th March 1943)?

In may 1943 he visited Saporoschje flying CE+IB ... and it was still painted in green...

Etienne 8th October 2006 21:33

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Enclosed a colour photo of Hitler departing in a Fw 200.
This comes from the book " Bilder des 2. Weltkriegs " published by
SPIEGEL.
If this is the plane discussed in this thread I cannot say,but I suspect
it is a strong possibility.

Etienne.

Jens 10th October 2006 10:10

Re: Hitlers Fw-200
 
Indeed interesting Picture, thanks.


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