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dahiot daniel 26th April 2006 16:07

KG 200 Pilot’s
 
One a list of pilots formed on P-47, P-51 within Kampfgeschwader 200.

By the same occasion one has testimonys on German pilots on mission in August 1944 on the Front of Normandy.
Pilots having used of P-47 to utilized the American troops.

Thank you

Dan

Nick Beale 26th April 2006 21:31

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There is a prisoner of war interrogation reports that speaks of plans for FAG 123 to use a captured P-47 on reconnaissance over England. I think you will find earlier discussions about that on this forum.

In the Summer of 1944, KG 200's operational flying units were undertaking transport duties. Some of those transport missions used captured aircraft like the B-17 (in Greece) and French flying boats (in Finland); many others used the Ju 188 and He 111. The organisation of KG 200 is well known and it did not have a fighter Staffel although later it used Fw 190 F-models as bombers.

Two good books on the subject are "Moskau ruft Heeresgruppe Mitte" by Dr. Günther W. Gellermann and "KG 200, the Luftwaffe's Most Secret Unit" by Geoffrey J. Thomas.

George Hopp 26th April 2006 22:03

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Quote:

By the same occasion one has testimonys on German pilots on mission in August 1944 on the Front of Normandy.
Pilots having used of P-47 to utilized the American troops.
I must say that I would seriously doubt the truth of that statement. If you think about it, where would this P-47 go after strafing those American troops. It might get through any German fighters, but the minute it approached a German airfield to land, every gunner and his grandmother would be firing at it. Remember the mission of the ground flak units: If it flies, it dies! They were hard enough on their own a/c just imagine what they would do to one in American markings.

Flitzer 26th April 2006 23:07

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I also like "KG 200: The True Story" by PW Stahl.

After all, he was there!

WEISNER 27th April 2006 07:05

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Jump over to the LEMB and look up this subject of a captured P 47 strafing U.S. troops, nothing ever came of this in the way of concrete evidence as I remember....perhaps a fairy tale?
Kevin

Nick Beale 27th April 2006 13:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WEISNER
a captured P 47 strafing U.S. troops....perhaps a fairy tale?
Kevin

My impression is that a friendly aircraft making a mistake was often assumed to be flown by the enemy.

WEISNER 29th April 2006 08:05

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Hey Nick, I would certainly buy into the thought you have mentioned here.
Kevin

Peter Spoden 29th April 2006 10:30

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Gentlemen,

maybe this helps:

http://www.luftarchiv.info/viewtopic...3994&highlight=

regards Peter Spoden

Peter Spoden 29th April 2006 11:04

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for those who dont like a new pass word:

http://www.luftarchiv.info/templates...n_minipost.gifVerfasst am: 03.01.2006, 08:48 Titel: Danke schön Bert!http://www.luftarchiv.info/templates...icon_quote.gif http://www.luftarchiv.info/templates.../icon_edit.gif Guten Tag Bert,

thanks for clarification. Last summer I had a meeting with US-and RAF-pilots in England. One former B 17-pilot insisted in public that he has been attacked by captured mustangs flown by German pilots with US-markings. I protested, that this was not our behaviour and asked him to send me details from USA. He never did.

herzliche Grüße Peter Spoden

brewerjerry 29th April 2006 16:18

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Hi All,
From a google search for the old LEMB site before the 'crash',

a thread on a crashed P-47 with luftwaffe markings, I originally posted the mentioned photo via the board, and will try to find the original copy i was e mailled, sadly i lost the source of the photo in a 'computer crash'
But here is a link to the cached thread, sadly no photos, but there is the discussion as to the possible identity of the P-47.
Cheers
Jerry

http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:...k&ct=clnk&cd=1

ju55dk 29th April 2006 21:28

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"41-6328/4th Fighter Group loss Hello all,
As an aside on the subject. The Germans are known to have in the early war years, repaint downed German a/c with Allied markings when transporting them across parts of germany.This was for the people's moral.
Is it not a possibility that the Germans did the same thing in reverse in the late stages of the war to demoralize the advancing allied troops by painting downed allied a/c in German markings.Any thoughts on this .
Alex."

This is a quote from the above mentioned discuission! Does anyone know how Alex came up with this idea? It would invite both Flak and german fighters to shoot them down without "asking first"!! Sadly such hear say keeps coming up again and again. Until now any no solid evidence to support this has come to light.

Junker

Heuser 30th April 2006 01:57

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The only "foreign" fighter with german markings ever used operationally was the Macchi C. 205 of II./JG 77 (September-December 1943). Everything else is crap...
A very recommendable (and very old) book about captured allied a/c is Werner Lerche´s "Testpilot auf Beuteflugzeugen", but it is very hard to get, and I don´t know if there was an English edition...

Regards, Heuser

brewerjerry 30th April 2006 10:53

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Hi
Werner Lerche´s book is available in english and not so hard to find.
Interesting, although very good, it only seems to relate to his experiences , what he flew and what he heard was captured.
For example, his book mentions nothing about captured hurricanes, the captured hampden, but plenty of evidence is around, it is however a good starting point in researching captured a/c, I finish in saying it is an excellent book, and I recommend it to all.
Cheers
Jerry


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