Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Does anybody have anything on Ju 88G-1 Wnr. 714814? Must have been lost in the Aachen area around December 1944.

Thanks,

John

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Hello ,

Do you have any idea about the unit ? Ju88 Wnrr 714816 was on october 1944 with 10./NJG3 , Wnr 714819 belonged to 3./NJG4 in december 1944

Regards
Alain57

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Nothing more know.....

John

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

'K' report 48/1945 shows the loss of Ju88 G-1 4R+BM of 4/NJG 2 at 2330hrs on the 24th.Dec. with crew of Ltn. Wolfram Mockel (umlaut over o ) baling out in the Hasselt area . Could not find details of the werk nummer or crash site for this one to see if it is a possibility.

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

I could offer these three...

25 12 44 2 I NJG2 Stevensweerd b, 10 km SW Roermond/ A getroffen v, unten FL od FNJ Hinstrecke JU88G-6 4R+KK

23 12 44 5 NJG2 F Ressen HOLL, A JU88G 100 Besatz gefallen
23 12 44 5 NJG3 F Meyel HOLL, A JU88G 100 Besatz gefallen

...

Where is coming your info , John ??

Rémi

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Pictures taken by US AAA unit in that area.....there were other pictures (also Ju 52 near Aldenhoven on 17.12.44) but these were identified.... The Ju 88G-1is the big unknown....

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

714814, was by Junkers in sept. 44, nd flown the same month to
Großenhain,

Which Ju52 crashed on 17.Dec. ??

Rémi

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

As there was a photo of the Ju 52 at Aldenhoven ( G6+DU of 10/TG4 ? ) could the G-1 be the 3C+SR of 7/NJG 4 which came down in the same area at Linnich at 0600hrs on the 25th ?

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Regarding some of the Ju88s mentioned in posts above:

Ju88G-6 W.Nr. 620587 4R+BM (ADI(K) gives sub-type as G-1)
Lt. Wolfram MÖCKEL
24/12/44, 23:30h, near Hasselt, Belgium

Ju88G-6 W.Nr. 621313 4R+KK
Ofw. Heinrich TETZLAFF
25/12/44, 03:45h, near Stevensweerd, 7.5 mi. S.W. of Roemond

Ju88G-1 W.Nr. 712224 3C+SR
Ofw. Otto LECHNER
25/12/44, did not crash over Allied territory, Uffz. Frank baled out and was captured. Ju88 returned to German territory and was abandoned near "Körzenich"(sic). Ofw. Lechner later KIA on 14/2/45. (note - one of four Ju88s from December 1944 that have ADI(K) Reports but where the aircraft did not crash in Allied territory, only a crew member baled out and was captured. The other three are in ADI(K) Report Nos. 12/45, 15/45, and 26/45)


...and from combining data from German sources and the Studiegroep Luchtoorlog 1939-1945 (SGLO) Verieslijst:

Ju88G-6 W.Nr. 620170 4R+BN (german sources) R4+*N (SGLO)
Ofw. Karl LUBENKA
23/12/44, Ressen, Holland

there is no mention in the SGLO register of the 5./NJG3 loss at Meyel given by Rémi, but there is from 5./NJG4:

Ju88G-1 W.Nr. 711299 3C+GN
Fw. Hans-Dietrich STÄNGLEN
23/12/44 (german records), 24/12/44 (SGLO), Meijel (Vennedijk) (note - Meyel and Meijel have two distinct spellings in the SGLO register, although the former is only used in relation to Allied losses)

Cheers

Rod

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Hello ,

Here some little " remarks " :

Ofw Lubenka Karl 10/04/1917 buried Ijsselstein CJ-1-19
Fw Staenglen Hans-Dietrich 01/03/1920 Esche/Wittmund

Regards
Alain57

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

I suppose that the Wn 714814, comes from the picture ??? So we hv to concentrate on losses with unknown Wn, probably only a little dozen

Rémi

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Yes, number is 100% clear in picture. Must be area around Aldenhoven - Alsdorf as other two crashsites (pictures too) were also in that area.

Regards,

John

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Remi,

do you have a list of candidate losses without a werknummer? Maybe we can deduct from that list and find a likely candidate based on crew names and or initial grave locations.

Thanks,

John

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Hi John,

I'm not sure how I missed this...

ADI(K) Report No. 50/1945 and A.I.K. (3) List No. 434 (B) have:

Ju88G-1 4R+KN of 5./NJG2 crashed near Palenberg, N. of Aachen, at 01:05 hrs on 1st January 1945. Crew baled out at a height of 200 metres after being hit by light AAA.

Pilot ... Unteroffizier Franz SCHULTE – Uninjured
W/T ... Gefreiter Johannes MÜLLNER – Uninjured
B/M ... Unteroffizier – SPELTHAHN – Injured

This appears to be a loss for which there is no Namentliche Verlustemeldung or entry in the Gen.Genst.Qu.6.Abt, returns...hence no W.Nr. is known.

Cheers

Rod

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

30 11 44 12 IV NJG6 F PS raum A FNJ mosq, JU88G 100 unv, EL30NAK 20h45
15 12 44 I NJG4 X X JU88G Kranz hptm f gemeldete als vermisst S am 18,dez Gross-Sachs, L Zeilhausen
21 12 44 I NJG4 JU88G 17 fz Einsätze 21/22 dez, Erfolg 0 1 Verlust
23 12 44 5 NJG2 F Ressen HOLL, A JU88G 100 Besatz gefallen
23 12 44 5 NJG3 F Meyel HOLL, A JU88G 100 Besatz gefallen
24 12 44 IV NJG6 F Brühl west, A F FNJ JU88G 100 unv, Rosenberg hptm f besatz, unv, 18/20h
25 12 44 2 I NJG2 Stevensweerd b, 10 km SW Roermond/ A getroffen v, unten FL od FNJ Hinstrecke JU88G-6 4R+KK 100 4 EM25NAC 25/261244 S Twente 25,dez, 03h45 12 fz I,NJG2 2xAB250 A 03h45
26 12 44 III NJG3 X X JU88G-1 710814 Aus II,NJG3

Re: Ju 88G-1 lost December 1944
 

Ju 88 of Schulte/Spelthahn near Palenberg was Ju 88G-6 wnr. 620872 (source RL2-III-1171/6).

Cheers,

John