NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

NSGr experts,

As noted in Fw 190D-9 Camouflage & Markings Pt 1, a Fw 190D-9, WNr 600385, was reported as lost by 3./NSGr 20 on 12th March 1945.

However, some confusion remains regarding the reported pilot, Lt Rudolf Huber, who is cited as flying with I./JG2.

Notwithstanding the confusion around the aircraft's pilot, can the loss be confirmed as made by NSGr 20?

Also, is a location given for the loss?

Cheers,
Chris

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Chris,

Here is what I have on this aircraft:

WNr.600385, Code unknown, 3./I./NSGr.20. Lt. Rudolf Huber killed in crash on take-off due to engine failure at Diepenheim on 12 March 1945.

I have a source somewhere, likely from Richard Smith.

HTH,

David

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Thanks David,

Long time no-speak, the location ties in nicely with the movements of NSGr 20, need a JG2 experts opinion now to rule that unit out,

Hope you're keeping well,

Chris

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Nothing in JG 2 lists and oddly, I must have missed this one in my NSG 20 list

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

I agrre with Chris. Could not find anything either. To my knowledge NSGr. 20 never operated the D-9.

Norbert

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Strangely, the same a/c and pilot are listed as lost, first by JG 2 on 9-Mar-45 from the Hans Ring VLM lists, and from NSGr 20 on 12-Mar-45 as listed by David Brown from a private source. Obviously one is not correct. I suspect Ring would be correct. There are no other listings for NSGr 20 and as others have said, I do not think the group operated the D-9 machine. The other losses for them in 1945, including 4 others on 12-March-45 are F-8 types. I suspect a typo somewhere over the decades.

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Agree with John-I have found FW 190 D-9, 600385 of 1/JG 2 shot down in combat with 36 B-26s near Bad Schwalbach on 9 Mar 45; Lt Rudolf Hueber killed. NSG 20 losses appear to be a mix of F-8s, G-3s, A-6s and A-8s but no D-9s

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Chris, John and others; This is indeed a mistake in the JaPo book which I already informed Marc and Eric about. The text I gave them;

Lt. Rudolf Hüber belonged to 1./JG 2 and crashed 2,5 km north of Fischbach, near Bad Schwalbach. He flew Fw 190D-9, WNr. 600385 and was buried at Usingen where he still rests ( I have a copy of the VLM). The Fw 190 crashing near Diepenheim was Fw 190G-3, WNr. 160693 of 3./NSGr 20 .

cheers,

John.

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

On the VDK-gravesite he is listed killed 09.03.45!!!

Junker

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

...which matches with what I have. The 3/NSG 20 ac was lost to engine failure, no casualties notified

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

My notes from the IWM's microfilms of the Gen.Quartiermeister 6. Abteilung loss records also have Fw 190 G-3, WNr. 160693 of 3./NSG 20 100% damaged at Diepenheim on 12 March 1945, Cause: crash following engine failure.

Never seen a single mention in any wartime source of a D-9 with this outfit.

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

I concur with both Johns on this one.

Being at home, I could consult the file and noticed that the Werknummer and pilot are repeated with the second entry matching all Johns' information. There is an additional note that the loss was due to "combat with 36 B-26s".

Any more thoughts on this bit of info?

All the best,

David

PS: Good to hear from you Mr. Beaman!

D.

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

I'm glad this puzzle is solved. I've been researching NSGr. 20 for over 10 Years and a D-9 loss would have really confused me. Thanks to all for the clarification to the initial thread.

Norbert

Re: NSGr.20 Fw 190D loss
 

Sorry to jump back in right at the end of the discussion, thanks for all your replies.

Chris