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carlo61 3rd April 2017 13:24

Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
I'm doing a research on the Fieseler Fi 156 P, used in anti-partisan struggle. I think as photo. Looking notize on its location in the northern Italian airports, exactly in Piedmont, in July-August 1944. Have you heard? Thank you

https://s29.postimg.org/642p5jz5j/17...28174389_n.jpg

carlo61 3rd April 2017 15:43

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
I would very much know more about the fi 156 near Torino . Are there any more info about it?

udf_00 3rd April 2017 20:50

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Picture is of one of the Fi 156 U, see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=19246

carlo61 4th April 2017 08:51

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
ok. But there are photographs of Fi156 with racks with bombs? I read that for anti-partisan actions they used 156 P or F. Do you have any of these signs Fi156 that usually accompanied the German forces during raids?

RT 4th April 2017 09:06

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
What could help, Carlo , would be that you are able to read the letters on the plane, also Under the wings ..

Rémi

Mikael Olrog 4th April 2017 09:53

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
The photo you posted show Fi 156 U, W.Nr. 4439, CQ+QF - converted from a Fi 156 C-3 for use on anti-submarine patrols in costal waters. The photo is taken from the report "Fi 156 E Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe", Re Nr.9676/40 geh. issued by E'Stelle Rechlin department E 7 Eb 2. The photo was likely taken at Rechlin in Germany. The report was issued 3 September 1940.

The aircraft in the photo has nothing to do with any Fi 156 P or F.

carlo61 4th April 2017 10:39

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Thanks Mikael! But you can give me some information on Fi156 that were usually used (Northern Italy) to support the troops against partisans and probably freed some bombs? I read books on Fi156 P, is it possible? This is a special case: many witnesses have recognized a "storch" that issued a bomb first and then the second step, two more bombs. (31 July '44 in Dogliani, Piedmont).

Seaplanes 5th April 2017 19:04

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
The unit responsible for air operations against partisans (or as the Germans expressed it: Bandenbekämpfung) was the SS controlled FliegerGeschwader z.b.V. 7. On 10. January 1945 the unit had the following Fi 156 in Italy: Fi 156C-3 W.Nr. 5138 DH+MZ at Gardone. This Aircraft was found at Bolzano on 6. May 1945. Fi 156C-3 TH+AG W.Nr. not known, at Monza. Both were detached from the 7. Staffel at Brod. Also possibly in Italy at a place named Papa, the unit had FW 58 CM+AV.

On 10. Janaury Fl.G.z.b.V. 7 had no less than 50 Fi 156 aircraft in addition to many FW 58, Ju 87, FW 189, Si 202 and a single Ju 52 (CT+EW W.Nr. 130549)

Nick Beale 5th April 2017 19:47

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaplanes (Post 231904)
The unit responsible for air operations against partisans (or as the Germans expressed it: Bandenbekämpfung) was the SS controlled FliegerGeschwader z.b.V. 7. On 10. January 1945 the unit had the following Fi 156 in Italy: Fi 156C-3 W.Nr. 5138 DH+MZ at Gardone. This Aircraft was found at Bolzano on 6. May 1945. Fi 156C-3 TH+AG W.Nr. not known, at Monza. Both were detached from the 7. Staffel at Brod. Also possibly in Italy at a place named Papa, the unit had FW 58 CM+AV.

On 10. January Fl.G.z.b.V. 7 had no less than 50 Fi 156 aircraft in addition to many FW 58, Ju 87, FW 189, Si 202 and a single Ju 52 (CT+EW W.Nr. 130549)

As per BA-MA RL2 III/66, aircraft of Fliegergeschwader z.b.V 7 on 10 January 1945:

5. Staffel: Fw 58 C2+YH at Ainring ("to be scrapped")
6. Staffel: Fw 58 9Q+TA at Oslo; Fi 156 9Q+FE, 9Q+AK, 9Q+NL, 9Q+HY (all at Oslo); Fi 156 9Q+MW (Bergen-Herdla); Fi 156 9Q+TW (at Gol).

Also the 5. Staffel had an »Außenstelle« (out-station) at Verona.

On 9 January, the Stab was renamed Fliegerverbindungsstaffel Reichsführer-SS.

(I wrote this down at Freiburg in 1990, I knew it would come in useful eventually!)

Anti-partisan work in Italy was also undertaken at one time or another by NSG 9 (the reason it was originally formed) and by Flugbereitschaft Luftflotte 2.

P.S. from memory, the only place named Papa that I've encountered while researching was in Hungary (cf. the DeZeng/Stankey airfield lists).

carlo61 6th April 2017 11:20

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Grazie Seaplanes
Grazie Nick
Continuerò a cercare altre informazioni... per questa ricerca: http://www.ghostbombers.com/NSG%209/dogliani.html
Molto probabilmente era un Fi156, partito da Airasca, per azione antipartigiana.

Nick Beale 6th April 2017 12:27

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlo61 (Post 231928)
Grazie Seaplanes
Grazie Nick
Continuerò a cercare altre informazioni... per questa ricerca: http://www.ghostbombers.com/NSG%209/dogliani.html
Molto probabilmente era un Fi156, partito da Airasca, per azione antipartigiana.

I think I understand you but I don't speak Italian, apart from a few aviation words I picked up while working with Sig. D'Amico & Valentini. Good luck with your search.

carlo61 7th April 2017 11:39

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Unfortunately I did not understand that in late July 1944 in Turin Caselle was still dislocated the 2./NSGr. 2. The new 3 / NSGr. 9 was in Turin Caselle or Vigatto? Mah ...
Practically in Turin Caselle on July 31 which airplanes they were stationed? I know, too hard:)

Nick Beale 7th April 2017 17:25

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlo61 (Post 231980)
Unfortunately I did not understand that in late July 1944 in Turin Caselle was still dislocated the 2./NSGr. 2. The new 3 / NSGr. 9 was in Turin Caselle or Vigatto? Mah ...
Practically in Turin Caselle on July 31 which airplanes they were stationed? I know, too hard:)

2./NSG 2 and 3./NSG 9 were the same Staffel, the name was changed in mid-July 1944. They were flying from Cavriago from the middle of that month (having flown from Rimini and Firenze earlier in July). So far as I know, neither the Luftwaffe nor the ANR used Caselle as a base for operations at this time.

carlo61 8th April 2017 09:50

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Ok

carlo61 8th April 2017 09:56

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
I thought the 2 / nsg2 was in turin until August 3 and then changed its name and moved to Vigatto
From your book:
https://s27.postimg.org/bls8cxozn/20...8_07.59.38.png

Nick Beale 8th April 2017 18:03

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlo61 (Post 232023)
I thought the 2 / nsg2 was in turin until August 3 and then changed its name and moved to Vigatto
From your book:
https://s27.postimg.org/bls8cxozn/20...8_07.59.38.png

I had learned a lot more by the time my second book was published.

carlo61 8th April 2017 20:31

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Ok.

carlo61 1st August 2017 10:27

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
This is a fi 156 P?


http://amicale.3emedragons.free.fr/D...%20Storch+.pdf

https://preview.ibb.co/dsTkN5/fi_156.png
image hosting

Mikael Olrog 2nd August 2017 13:44

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
This should be the same aircraft and same occassion as I answered you earlier. You can see "Q" under the wing which gives it away.

"The photo you posted show Fi 156 U, W.Nr. 4439, CQ+QF - converted from a Fi 156 C-3 for use on anti-submarine patrols in costal waters. The photo is taken from the report "Fi 156 E Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe", Re Nr.9676/40 geh. issued by E'Stelle Rechlin department E 7 Eb 2. The photo was likely taken at Rechlin in Germany. The report was issued 3 September 1940."

carlo61 3rd August 2017 15:36

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
Then, wrong caption?

Mikael Olrog 3rd August 2017 17:54

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
The two detail photos in that scan are also included in the ""Fi 156 U Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe" I refered to, so you can make up your own mind on weather the caption is correct or not.

carlo61 9th August 2017 16:08

Re: Fieseler Fi 156 P
 
thank you


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