Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hello

Born the 25/05/1919,wounded the 14/01/1945 (JG4)

How many claims?:someone has the answer

Thank's in advance

michel

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

I have a signed photo of him somewhere and he put "15 Abschuss" on the reverse of the photo......or it was in letters from him....will have to check.

/Ian

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

I asked this question because it's not clear.
That'is true 15 is the number generally given,however according E.Mombeek,his claim of 11/5/44 would be his 20th !!!,so problem!
And to obscure a little more-a claim on 14/01/45-his 18th!with a testimony of Kunz himself.

I quote;"I shot down a P-47 at 10h precise (my 18th victory confirmed).

Really simple to understand something !!!

michel

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

I will dig out his letters tomorrow and take a look.

/Ian

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Loss entries for Josef Kunz, and claim entry - from my database. Note that the claims accounting is still absolute or complete.

Bf 109G-6, , Kunz, Fw. Josef, 16, III., 9., JG 5, gelbe, 9 +, , , 17-Mar-44, Bauchlandung due to technical failure., , Finnland, Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.393; Mombeek, Eismeerjäger, V.IV, p.242, , Skorgerce, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, , Kunz, Fw. Josef, 16, III., 9., JG 5, gelbe, 9 +, , , 11-May-44, Engine trouble., , Finnland, Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.395, , Petsamo, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, , Kunz, Ltn. Josef, , II., 4., JG 5, , , , , 04-Aug-44, Luftkampf. FSA., , RLV, Mombeek, Eismeerjäger, V.IV, p.247, , Uelzen, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109, , Kunz, Ltn. Josef, , IV., 13., JG 4, weiße, 18 + ~, , , 01-Jan-45, Stfhr. Bauchlandung due to Flak., , Bodenplatte, Manrho/Pütz, Bodenplatte, p.280; Mombeek, Sturmjäger, II, p.256, , bei Idar-Oberstein, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-10, 490691, Kunz, Ltn. Josef, 16, IV., 13., JG 4, weiße, 1 + ~, , , 14-Jan-45, Stfhr. WIA due to Luftkampf. FSA., , Lw.Kdo.West, WASt; Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.14; Mombeek, Sturmjäger, II, p.257; Girbig, JG 5 p.242., , bei Deidesheim/Neustadt, 100%, F, , ,

Kunz, Josef, Ltn., 16, JG 5, JG 4, Stkp. WIA on 14-Jan-45 due to Luftkampf. Later DOW?, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Girbig, JG 5 p.242

I’d throw in the actual claims as well, but these are still not complete in my database. Some of the later claims still need resolution between multiple sources.

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

My mistake.....he wrote he had 16 Luftsiege.

/Ian

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Well,well
I look at my screen and I remain circumspect because "the light does not appear".Quite the contrary,it's even more confused.

Why speak in his testimony of an 18th victory and E.Monbeek of a 20th several months before 14/01/45 (it's true that between the 8th and so-called 20th,always according Monbeek,I have little information).

For now my question remains without really answer.But someone??

michel

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

I hesitate to throw further gas on this fire, but what the heck....
Josef Kunz made 18 claims noted in his flugbüch, for what that may or may not be worth. The last claim (#18) was a P-47 ("Thunderbolt) on January 14, 1945.

Attached is the last page of his flugbüch, which mentions this last claim , where it is assigned the cumulative number of 18.

Russ

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hi Russ

Great ! Would you have other interesting information from his flugbuch? as his claims with JG5?

michel

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hi Michel

Claims are as follows:-

17th May 1942 MiG-3 30km E Murmansk 0925 hrs u/c
17th June 1942 Hurricane W Schonguj 0938 hrs Nr.1
2nd September 1942 Hurricane near Kola railway station 1122 hrs 3500 metres Nr.2
5th December 1942 LaGG-3 Murmaschi area 1100 hrs 600 metres Nr.3
24th January 1943 LaGG-3 1250 hrs 5200 metres Nr.4
13th March 1943 Airacobra 0625 hrs 50 metres Nr.5
13th March 1943 Pe-2 0944 hrs 4000 metres Nr.6
13th March 1944 Jak-7 N Poluostruv Rybachiy 1339 hrs 120 metres Nr.7
23th April 1944 P-40 Poluostruv Rybacjiy 1041 hrs Nr.8
23rd April 1944 P-40 SW Waida 1043 hrs 250 metres Nr.9
23rd April 1944 P-40 SE Waida 1049 hrs 50 metres Nr.10
23rd April 1944 Airacobra NE Berlevaag 1446 hrs 150 metres Nr.11
23rd April 1944 Airacocra NE Berlevaag 1448 hrs 50 metres Nr.12
10th May 1944 Il-2 50km SE Pechenga 0133 hrs 30 metres Nr.13
11th May 1944 P-40 Varanga Fjord 0110 hrs 50 metres Nr.14
4th August 1944 P-47 W Hamburg 1321 hrs 8300 metres Nr.15
12th December 1944 P-47 Biblis/Worms 1548 hrs 700 metres Nr.16
14th January 1945 P-47 Nr.17

Those upto and including that for 11th May 1944 were with 8./JG 5, then 4./JG 5, IV./JG 4 and 13./JG 4.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hi Johannes
Thank's

Its 3rd (Lagg3),it's not rather the 05/11/42,the 241st of 8/Staffel?
According to the extract of its flugbuch provided by Russ,that of 14/01/45 would be his 18th?

michel

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hello Michel & Johannes,
Kunz's available flugbüch starts on May 21, 1943, at which time he was an instructor with 4./E.J.G West at Cazaux. He remained with that unit until Oct. 30, 1943, when he returned to 8./JG 5, resuming flights from Petsamo on December 1, 1943.
The first victory documented in the logbook is notated as #8,
a "Jak-7" on March 13, 1944. Johannes lists this claim as Kunz's 7th. The difference is probably due to the fact that his first victory, a Mig-3 on May 17,1942, which Johannes lists as non-confirmed, was probably counted in Kunz's running total. In this case, victory #7 would be marked, as it shows in the logbook, as #8.
Therefore, with this logical discrepency in Kunz's victory total being only one between that of Johannes (17) and Kuhn's FB (18), the numbers seem to add up.
Indeed, the victory lists (Kunz FB, Johannes) are almost identical. The exception, however, applies to 2 victory claims, one which is in Kunz's FB but not in Johannes list, and another which is on Johannes list but not in the FB.

Here's the breakdown of the victories shown in the logbook and Johannes list:

March 13, 44 "Jak-7" FB:#8 Johannes:#7
April 23, 44- 3 "Kittyhawk" & 2 "Aircobra FB:#9-#13 Johannes #8-12
May 10, 44 "Il-2" FB:#14 Johannes:#13
May 11, 44 "Kittyhawk" FB:#15 Johannes #14
August 4,44 (4./JG 5) "Thunderbolt" FB: #16 (parachuted out of Me 109, probably a G6, "white 9") Johannes: #15

August 21,44 (4./JG 5) "Boeing" FB:#17 (between 9:54 & 11:36)
Johannes: not listed
December 12,44 (13./JG 4) P-47 FB: not listed ( but did fly "Jabo- Jagd" at appropriate time between 14:57 & 15:56) Johannes: #16 (@1548)

January 14, 45 (13./JG 4) "Thunderbolt" FB:#18 Johannes: #17
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Anyway, I can send a scan of the flugbüch to you off-line if you're interested.

Russ

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hi Russ

Very interesting!! I also discovered his presence with E.J.G./West in 1943
I sent you my email address in private message.

Best Regards

michel

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hi Guys

Kunz born 25.05.1919 died 02.04.2020.

Regards

Johannes

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

What did Josef Kunz did after World War II? A long and healthy life for him. He passed away when he was 100 years young!

Edward L. Hsiao

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Was it the last expert alive ?? Like Ernst Junger, the last alive 'wearer' of the 'Pour le Mérite' he achieved 100.
Rémi

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Hi Remi

Don't exactly understand your question. But there are a few Luftwaffe aces still alive, Hugo Broch springs to mind, and Günther Scholz lived to be 103, but I don't have the dates of death for many aces, sadly most have actually died, but I suspect there are a few in their late nineties/early hundreds still around. There was a Luftwaffe non-aces test pilot who died aged 107 a few years ago.

The oldest member of the "100" club was Adolf Dickfeld who was ninety-nine when he died.

Keep well

Johannes

Re: Josef Kunz 8/JG5
 

Was Josef Kunz was in the Bundeswehr (Luftwaffe) after World War II?

Edward L. Hsiao