JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Please,
what were the JG1 casualties on 27 December 1944?
Thank you.
Phil.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Hello Phil.

the J.G. 1 lost 15 a/c on these day. Are you interested in specific ? Three of it in the Dinand/Vielsalm area. One POW and two MIA.

Rgds,
René

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Dinant (Belgium)

ClinA-78

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Bonjour,

René and ClinA-78 :thank you for your assistance. 15 losses !? That was a very important air battle. Studying the story of JG 103 and JG 105 in France (above all in Châteauroux) 1943-1944, I focus on the front line life of the pilots who trained there. For the 27 December 1944 air battle : I would like to know who was the victims of LT Elmer N. Fiery (364th FG) who claimed 2 Fw 190 destroyed and one damaged in Frankfurt area, the air combat starting at 5000.
…. probably Uffz. Uffz. Helmuth Riehl ? and … ?
Any information would be greatly appreciated !

Phil.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Bonjour

Haupt.Hans Ehlers shot down(K) :Berenborn (187 km by road of Frankfurt)
Fw.Herbert Mehl shot down (K):Dinant
Oblt.Eduard Millers (P):Dinant
Lt.Johannes Birnbaum (K):Dinant
Uffz.Adolf Schiller (P):Acht near Mayen
Lt.Gottffried Just (K):Dinant
Uffz.Ernst-Adolf Schaumbergurg (W):Behndorf near Koblenz
Ofhr.Gerhard Stiemer (W):Todenfeld/Rheinbach
Fw.Wolf Oswald (K):Dinant
Oblt.Walter Porsch (K):Dinant
Uffz.Heinz Borreck (K):Niederkassel
Lt.Richard Forster (K):Dinant
No Name :Dinant
No Name:Dinant
No Name:Dinant
Gefr.Emil Franzke (K):Platz Plantlunne 5/JG1
Fw.Albrecht Kirschner (W):Platz Plantlunne

Uffz.Helmut Riehl (W):Bocholt
Bocholt in Germany or in Belgium ?

Total=18 losses
Very difficult to say who shot down who.
Good Luck

Michel

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Excuse me for the icons on Dinant,I don't known the BAD manipulation that I made!!!!
Encore désolé
Michel

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

You could always use the "edit" button at the bottom right of your post.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Michel,
I just tried to research a good English word for the translation of the French expression « bouche bée » … « mouth agape » ? « beyond words » ? Whatever ! Your assistance is very precious, very important for me. I understand that – it is common – such air battle – is very difficult to. To compare carefully each victory and loss reports. Situation changed so fast …
Michel, Each of your information is a very good track ! So I have to know more also on Allied side.

How can I acknowledge you !

I do appreciate such icons which are symbolics of the difficulty of this study !

So Bocholt ? …

Thank you very much indeed !
Phil.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Beware with the matching claim vs loss, as such as the rough location given (ex : Dinant), always with a grain of salt.
Bocholt most probably in Germany.

Best regards

ClinA-78

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Some add./corr.

Hptm. Hans Ehlers - Bereborn, 13 km NE Daun
Fw. Herbert Mehl - Adenau area
Uffz. Adolf Schiller - Hohe Acht near Mayen
Lt. Gottffried Just - Adenau area
Uffz. Ernst-Adolf Schaumburg
Fw. Wolf Oswald - 100 m W Adenau
Oblt. Walter Pörsch - Adenau area
Lt. Richard Förster
Gefr. Emil Franzke - Fl.Pl. Plantlünne
Fw. Albrecht Kirschner - dito

Kaczmarek

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Hello,
this battle was fought over the Motor Racing Aera Nürburgring, for both sides an well known landmark in the Eifel. Most of the 190 crashed in that aera.
Ltn. Eduards Millers (he was one of the few none german pilots!) was wounded and used his parachute. He spent the rest for the war in an hospital. In the 1970's he lived in Venezuela. Most of the fallen Flugzeugführer rest at Adenau War Cemetary. I'm for sure that no of the JG 1 ever reach the Dinant aera!!
h.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Thank you for your additional information. So Dinant seems to be out as location. We have to study carefully that day : giving with 2 columns/entries like a face-to-face : losses / victories.

Please, do we know altutide and hour of the fall of Uffz Helmuth Riehl ?

Thanks for all.
Philippe

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Helo,
there is an Loss-List from the Fliegerhorstkommandantur Niedermendig. They handle four of the cases:

Fw. Oswald Wolf, crashed 100m W of Tribüne Nürburgring Race Center

OLtn. Walter Porsch, Ltn. Gottfried Just and Fw. Heribert Mehl crashed very close together in the "Bränke Kopf" District.

Niedrmendig know the personal details of of Flugzeugführer, but give order to the burrial as unknown Airmen! Very strange.

There fate was cleared in 1997 and the WASt conformed their names.

h.

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Correction:

Not a prisoner of war, but instead Unteroffizier Adolf Schiller was killed and rests at Adenau military cemetery; grave Grab 59

Kind regards,

Timon

Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
 

Are we sure the grave of Lt. Gottfried Just was identified? Would like to see confirmation and that Niedermendig report. I have a couple of nice pictures of him during his tome with 2./JG 1 late 1944.