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Can a specific aircraft type be identified by the markings on this KG-13A?

Looks like BPK (or Bp K/N (cannon?) on the top and V25 on the bottom.

for reverence: https://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/fl-...l-kg-13a-1944/

v25 remark for electric system ( diagrams how connections made throughout the weapon systen)

KG13A, KG13B & KG13C grips used in a variety of late-war Luftwaffe types. The same grips were manufactured/used post-war in the Eastern bloc and found in early MiG jets

Is the V25 marking specific to the wiring in a Bf 109, Fw 190, Me 262?

Which type? i found v23 for 109 G series and v60 for 190 A5-A6

And V60 for Bf109K, Fw190 G3. V23 Bf109 G6> & Bf110 G. Type electric schema.(Wiring diagram).

Sorry...I thought it was V23.

V25 does not exist, as far as I know.

The location where this is written is typical of Me109 production only...annnnnnnnnnd...there is something I do not like about the numbers...compared to the rest of the corrosion/damage.

jarecki71:

V60 was never used on the Me109K. All the codes change in the late G10/K series...and V60 was specific to the Fw190 only.

V23 was never used on the Me110 either.

Electrical codes were SPECIFIC to each aircraft type.

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Originally Posted by harrison987 (Post 238318)

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Electrical codes were SPECIFIC to each aircraft type.

You sure about that?

Snautzer, each aircraft had its own electrical wiring diagram with codes for the different electrical equipment. There was no rule amongst aircraft industry that a code would only be issued for one particular aircraft type, but it was rather by chance that codes like V23 were not used by other aircraft types. This now helps identify the aircraft type these sticks belonged to.

The Fw 190 typically had V60 (I say typically, because there were some late war variants with autopilot that had a different code for the control stick, 1V43). It typically had a KG 13B, but exceptions are known (KG 13A, and in late production KG 13C)

The Bf 109 G typically had V23 (see http://germancontrolsticks.blogspot....Bf%20109%20G-6). It typically had a KG 13A, but exceptions are known.

I haven't come across one with V25, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. The color (red), placement (large V-number around the base) and type (B1-Kn.) of marking on your stick is typical for a Bf 109 stick and I'd bet it came from a 109 if it is an original marking.

B1-Kn. stood for B1-Knopf, which was the button at the top. The trigger was called A-Knopf and the button on the top left B2-Knopf.

Cheers,
Roger

Interesting discussion on the KG 13's. I have acquired this KG 13B years ago in Germany and in my opinion, it is a genuine WWII item. Still, I have some small issues that bother me. One, for example, is the missing "V" marking of the electrical wiring.
I would like to hear your thoughts about this KG 13.
Thanks!

...a few more photos

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 238360)

Hello Roger thank you for the response.

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 238360)

Snautzer, each aircraft had its own electrical wiring diagram with codes for the different electrical equipment.

True I have quite a few bordnetz manuals.

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 238360)

There was no rule amongst aircraft industry that a code would only be issued for one particular aircraft type

The code were allocated by design of the bordnetz by nomenclatuur weren't they? All manufacturers had to comply to this method of making a diagram of the bordnetz. I.G. V23 marking follows the list and is not connected to the part or make of plane.

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Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic (Post 238406)

For sure yours has been re-painted...and the data plate has been added afterwards (plate is repro).

You can tell it was added, as the wear/paint loss goes under the plate.

That is a typical feature of a grip that was messed with post-war.

Regarding grips:

Grip types were transferred - for example, some of the Me109 electrical schematics show a KG13B...when it was the KG13A that was the most used (heavily, as in the 99% of the time range).

Also, rather than the standard KG13B used on the Fw190, I have seen a KG13A installed.

The internal wiring set-up differed between the KG13A and KG13B...so in the situations were the grip types were changed...the wiring set-up also had to be changed.

Regarding the electrical codes:

Having owned numerous electrical schematics from every major aircraft used, for sure V25 is not found on any of them. Having been involved in numerous restorations, as well as over 60 grips, I can tell you 100% that the main codes were never, ever transferred between aircraft.

For example, you will never, EVER find a Fw190 "V60" code on an Me109 grip...nor will you ever find an Me109K "1V104" on a grip from a Ar96.

The schematics differed for a reason - it was to ID the specific item TO the specific electrical system OF the specific aircraft.

The only time the electrical codes crossed- over, was when they were for "common items".

For example, the FuG16 radio equipment all had the same standard set-up and wiring connections. Though the individual wiring codes that ran between each unit of the system may differ, the MAIN code, identifying, the MAIN unit remained the same.

For example:

"F155" for the AFN 2
"F104" for FuG16 umformer
"F105" for the umformer ground plate

You will find these codes as being IDENTICAL in almost all aircraft that used them...because as I already mentioned, they were a common item.

The items that were specific to the aircraft (such as grips), had unique codes, that were never transferable.

position of V25 in 8-109.000-352 Bordnetz Anlage, on the right you will find the grip KG13A with V23

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