Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi,

I would like more information on the career of Fw. Werner Martin, that served in Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3, MIA in 15-Mar-45.

How many abschuss did him obtain?

Is it possible that Martin flew the Dora 9 "Blue 2" based on Prenzlau?

Thank's a lot!

Franklin

from Brazil

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

We find in the list of "Abschuss" of stab IV/JG3:

23/12/1944
Fw.RUDOLF Martin=Two B-26 (1.-2.)

24/12/1944
Fw.WERNER Martin=One B-17 (3.)

Obviously,there is a confusion of first name!(two Martin at the same time in Stab,difficult to believe!)

So Rudolf for Werner or Werner for Rudolf....Mystery!

Idem for 15/03/1945:Rudolf or Werner MIA (Fw.190 D-9 Wnr. 211 147)

Michel

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

A JG 3 loss list has - 15.4.45 IV/3 D-9 211147 Fw Werner Martin missing Stettin,

Regards
Brian Bines

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Thank you for the information.

Uffz. Karl-Heinz Pütt also flew on Stab IV/JG3?

Best regards

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Gen.Qu. loss report from 26 March 1945 No. 68:

15.3. IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 Feindflug Auftrag: Raum Altdamm, Ursache: Unbekannt.
Fw 190 D-9 211147 100%
Fw Werner Martin vermisst.

Regards
Leo

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi Guys

I have all three claims with Werner. He was born on 18th December 1919. Don't know the crash-sites but claims were exactly:-

23rd December 1944 B-26 1140 hrs 3500 metres Nr.1
23rd December 1944 B-26 1141 hrs 2000 metres Nr.2
24th December 1944 B-17 1231 hrs 6300 metres Nr.3

Missing in combat with Sowiet aircraft near Stettin, Germany on 15th March 1945. All three claims are recorded on the Mikrofilms, but these would be exactly when they cease, so possibly more claims later.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

To post #4:

Hello Ferreira,

Uffz Karl-Heinz Pütt flew with 16./JG 3.

Claimed victories:
22 August 1944 B-24
16 March 1945 P-39
18 April 1945 Boston.

Losses/damages:
19 December 1944
Motorstörung, Bauchlandung bei Immendorf, unverletzt Fw 190 A-8 rote 4

23 December 1944
Luftkampf Ort unbekannt, 100% vermisst, unverletzt zurück
Fw 190 A-8/R2 682762 rote 4

9 March 1945
Motorstörung, Bauchlandung bei Prenzlau, 80% unverletzt
Fw 190 A-8 960655 grüne 6.

Source: Chronicle Jochen Prien "IV./Jagdgeschwader 3"

Regards
Leo

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi Johannes,

do you have more info about Luftwaffe claims for 23.12.1944 again B-26?
Can you please share with me?

Thanks

Faenor

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi Faenor

Actually that is a big ask, not that I mind the information........just that there are so many. Please remember that different unit ceased their entries on the mikrofilms at different times, but this is what I have.

Lt Siegfried Muller 16./JG 3 1142 hrs 3000 metres, and 1143 hrs 2500 metres.
Fw Harry Wald 16./JG 3 1143 hrs 2500 metres, and 1144 hrs 2500 metres, and 1140 hrs 3000 metres.
Uffz Werner Schanz 14./JG 3 1147 hrs 3000 metres, and 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Lt Hermann Wolf 8./JG 11 0940 hrs 4000 metres.
Uffz Steinberg 8./JG 11 North of Trier 0941 hrs 4000 metres
Ofw Franz Meindl 8./JG 11 North of Trier 0942 hrs 4000 metres
Stfw Josef Körkemeyer 6./JG 11 North of Trier0942 hrs 4000 metres
Hauptmann Karl Leonhard Stab.II./JG 11 North of Trier 0945 hrs 4000 metres.
Uffz Heger 8./JG 4 0850 hrs 4000 metres
Uffz Ernst Schubert 1./JG 11 raum Laubach 1037 hrs 3200 metres.
Lt Gunter Kalich 3./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1037 hrs 3200 metres.
Oblt Erich Richter 1./JG 11 raum Laubach 1037 hrs 3200 metres.
Fwjuffz Louis-Ferdinand von Trasehe-Roseneck 2./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1037 hrs 3200 metres.
Hauptmann Rudiger Kirchmayr Stab.I./JG 11 1037 hrs 3200 metres.
Hauptmann Franz Hrdlicka Stab.I./JG 2 Roetgen 1203 hrs 3700 metres
Hauptmann Georg Schröder III./JG 2 Steiden/Monschau 1203 hrs 3500 metres.
Fw Herbert Treff 2./JG 2 Roetgen 1204 hrs 3500-3800 metres.
Fw Erich Söldner 1./JG 2 Steiden/Monschau 1204 hrs 3800 metres.
Uffz Rudolf Moser 1./JG 2 Roetgen 1204 hrs.
Uffz Sworak 1./JG 2 Roetgen 1205 hrs 3800 metres.
Hauptmann Hubert-York Weydenhammer IV./JG 3 1140 hrs 3500 metres, and 1141 hrs 2000 metres.
Lt Gunther Rennwanz 15./JG 3 1140 hrs 3700 metres.
Ofhr Rudolf Sommer 16./JG 3 1140 hrs 3000 metres.
Fw Rudolf Martin IV./JG 3 1140 hrs 3500 metres, and 1141 hrs 2000 metres.
Uffz Herbert Leuchtenberger 14./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 hrs.
Uffz Helmut Keune 14./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Uffz H. Raab 14./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Fw Gerhard Leipholz 14./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Fw Gerhard Hoffmann 15./JG 3 1140 hrs 3700 metres.
Uffz Werner Talkenberg 16./JG 3 1141 hrs 3000 metres.
Uffz Kurt Bolz 13./JG 3 1141 hrs 3700 metres, and 1139 hrs 3700 metres.
Ofhr Karl Vaitl 16./JG 3 1141 hrs 2500 metres.
Lt Karl Kuhdorf 1./JG 77 1108 hrs 5000-4000 metres.
Uffz Robert Canaris 13./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Uffz Karl Kapteina 15./JG 3 1140 hrs 3700 metres.
Uffz Hubert Drdla 13./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Fw Johann Clässen 15./JG 3 1140 hrs 3700 metres.
Fhffw Wilhelm Hopfensitz 15./JG 3 1140 hrs 3700 metres.
Ofw Johann Bauer 13./JG 3 1140 hrs 4000 metres.
Fw Franz Steiner 2./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1037 hrs 3200 metres.
Lt Alwin Doppler 2./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1037 hrs 3200 metres, and raum Koblenz 1038 hrs 3200 metres.
Uffz Martin Dekker 3./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1037 hrs 3200 metres, and raum Koblenz 1043 hrs 3200 metres.
Fhr Stadler 3./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1039 hrs 3200 metres.
Gefr Keller-Mannstein 4./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1040 hrs 3200 metres, and West of Koblenz 1047-1048 hrs 3000 metres.
Lt Heinrich Wolff 4./JG 11 South of Koblenz 1040 hrs 3000 metres.
Lt Alfons Klein 4./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1040 hrs 2800 metres.
Fw Frank 4./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1041 hrs 2000 metres.
Oblt Ulrich Bolm 4./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1041 hrs 3200 metres.
Uffz Eugen Krummreich 4./JG 11 raum Koblenz 1042 hrs 3000 metres.

Do you have the Marauder loss details?

Kind Regards

Johannes

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi Johannes,

after a weekend, I can send you more info about all losses (more info in my archive) , but example on this article, there is a list of losses of 397th Bombardment Group, which loss 10 Marauders.

http://historyflight.com/nw/docs/Pre...hen_Report.pdf

Faenor

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hi Faenor

I cross-check that.

Sorry but I was under a bit of time pressure earlier, but I have now added in claim areas, and forenames the best I can.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hello Johannes,

This incident has been covered repeatedly from the American side, so I easily found a few links, which might be worth looking at before Faenor has time to respond. Two of the links are old threads on this forum. To summarise, 34 Marauders were lost:

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...ws.1558/page-2
http://www.b26.com/page/marauder_mis...er_23_1944.htm
http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/s...sp?offset=7000

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=43404
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=4940

Regards,

Dan

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Dan

According to Losses of the 8th and 9th Air Forces Vol 5, 40 Marauders were lost and eight more salvaged upon return.
I have not gone through each of these 48 losses to determine if they were caused by fighters/flak or if some were due to 'simple' technical reasons.

To me it suffice to say it must have been a horrible day. One of the worst in USAAF (USAF) history no doubt.

B Rgds
Stig

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

Hello Stig,

Thank you for providing data from the best research work on the subject. 48 lost bombers is a large number, but the Germans suffered very heavy losses on this day too, 135 according to the ww2aircraft.net thread linked to above. In that context, this was a very successful day for the USAAF, especially since many ground targets were attacked and the aerial resupply of Bastogne began on this day. This was the day when Allied air power put an end to all German hopes of further success in the Ardennes.

Regards,

Dan

Re: Fw. Werner Martin, Stab IV.(Sturm)/JG 3
 

When he was born ? (xx.xx.xxxx ?)