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harrison987 10th October 2017 01:01

Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
For sure this is weapons-related...as the Fl. number cooresponds to that.

Not in the master list...but the number fall in the Fl. numbers relating to the MG15.


SG2
Fl. 46222


Seems to be some sort of on/off handle, that connects to an electrical device.

Thoughts?

Revi16 10th October 2017 01:30

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Kind of an odd electrical requirement 40v/30A.

edwest2 10th October 2017 18:16

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
It appears to be for a radio. The Siemens & Halske stamp I know, the other stamp next to it I have seen before but cannot name.





Ed

Revi16 10th October 2017 20:52

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Perhaps Kabel Fest/Kabel Lose has to to with extending a wire antenna?

edwest2 10th October 2017 22:16

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Here, I think fest means attached and lose means remove (cable) or detach.

Snautzer 11th October 2017 12:31

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
circuit breaker?

ChrisMAg2 11th October 2017 14:05

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 240938)
Here, I think fest means attached and lose means remove (cable) or detach.

More precisely, "fest" here means "locked, secured, tight" and "lose" just means "loose, open". This something like a bayonet lock or a "quick connect/ diconnect connector" for RF cables.

edwest2 11th October 2017 17:13

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2 (Post 240971)
More precisely, "fest" here means "locked, secured, tight" and "lose" just means "loose, open". This something like a bayonet lock or a "quick connect/ diconnect connector" for RF cables.


I agree. I cannot find an Fl. number in the 46XXX range.



Ed

ChrisMAg2 11th October 2017 18:53

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 240923)
It appears to be for a radio. The Siemens & Halske stamp I know, the other stamp next to it I have seen before but cannot name.

Ed

I just found out what the second logo is. Actually both logos belong together:

LGW = Luftfahrtgerätewerk Hakenfelde G.m.b.H., Berlin-Spandau. LGW was part of the Siemens group of companies/ consortium and were producing built in measuring instruments, shunt-field-relayes, switches, amplifiers etc.. In ww2 LGW was producing exclusively for the Luftwaffe.

ChrisMAg2 11th October 2017 20:10

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
1 Attachment(s)
I found an image that might be showing this device on a MG15:
The image is from: http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archi...%20189%204.jpg

Revi16 11th October 2017 20:59

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2 (Post 240992)
I found an image that might be showing this device on a MG15:
The image is from: http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archi...%20189%204.jpg


Hi-rez pic of above.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/32/61...d3eb69ce7b.jpg

Snautzer 11th October 2017 21:56

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
This comes very close

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stephen f. polyak 11th October 2017 21:58

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Might it allow the weapon to be fired remotely, or clear a jam? Just a guess. What does the product sheet above indicate?

Snautzer 11th October 2017 22:13

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Electric safty for firing or better accidental firing of the gun,

edwest2 12th October 2017 04:22

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2 (Post 240987)
I just found out what the second logo is. Actually both logos belong together:

LGW = Luftfahrtgerätewerk Hakenfelde G.m.b.H., Berlin-Spandau. LGW was part of the Siemens group of companies/ consortium and were producing built in measuring instruments, shunt-field-relayes, switches, amplifiers etc.. In ww2 LGW was producing exclusively for the Luftwaffe.


Thank you.


Ed

edwest2 12th October 2017 04:30

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 240997)
This comes very close

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The 'pistol grip' in the original photo does not appear to be there in the sheet you provided.



Ed

edwest2 12th October 2017 04:49

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
I did some research on the MG 15 and could find no reference to electrical attachments. It appears it did not need electricity to fire and the design does not appear to be one that required an electrical safety device. The same can be said of the MG 17, but this MG was belt-fed.



Ed

edwest2 12th October 2017 04:59

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen f. polyak (Post 240998)
Might it allow the weapon to be fired remotely, or clear a jam? Just a guess. What does the product sheet above indicate?



Firing by remote? An interesting idea but that means some unknown attachment point other than the trigger itself that would cause it to fire, and how could it be sighted in? Locked directly forward like an MG used on a fighter?



Ed

ChrisMAg2 12th October 2017 05:12

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Ed,
I think, there is a misunderstanding here. This is not a (remote) firing device. It is itself an electric safety switch and seems to be attached to the cocking lever. If power is provided, "safety" is on and the cocking lever cannot be pulled. If no power is provided, "safety" is off and the cocking lever can be pulled. Or vice versa, as described in the data sheet for the ESi17.
Now, why there is such a device on or for a machine gun at all, that is a totaly different question. Maybe indeed -as Snautzer suggested- as a device to prevent accidental/ unintentional or uncontrolled fireing.

Snautzer 12th October 2017 07:28

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 241005)
The 'pistol grip' in the original photo does not appear to be there in the sheet you provided.



Ed

Thats because this is for mg17, so changes would be to expect.

ChrisMAg2 12th October 2017 10:03

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 241009)
Thats because this is for mg17, so changes would be to expect.

To be precise, it's a different device (provided both [SG2 and ESi17] have the same purpose).

edwest2 12th October 2017 17:42

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Here are some photos of the MG 15:



https://www.ima-usa.com/products/ger...nt=25653000645

http://www.raskantik.com/visprodukt....=2393&katId=26


Note one part stamp in the following has the stamp: Fl 46300

http://www.icollector.com/GERMAN-MG1...-C-R_i15605256

https://leibstandart.com/archive/4024/55064/




Usual disclaimer,
Ed

edwest2 12th October 2017 19:23

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
A more comprehensive MG 15 Operator's Manual.


https://mg34.com/product/mg-15-operators-manual/






Usual disclaimer,
Ed

Broncazonk 12th October 2017 21:11

Re: Unknown Bomb or Weapon Switch/Lever - Thoughts?
 
Another mystery better solved by putting some form of scale in the photograph. It's so simple, just place a ruler next to the item prior to taking the photo.

Bronc


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