Joachim Wandel
 

Dear All,
You may well laugh, but maybe some of you know the answer... Was Joachim Wandel married?
Thank you in advance.

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

So many months have passed and I still have received no answer... Maybe this time I'll have more luck?
Do you happen to know if Joachim Wandel was married?
Thank you in advance.

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Maybe I should make my post more interesting by adding a funny picture? When I added a flying snail to my post about Siegfried Schnell, I received an answer very soon. :-)

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

I think perhaps you should consider instead that the things that interest you about wartime airmen are not those that are of the concern to most of the members here. You have chosen an unusual area to explore and that makes it less likely that you will get the answers you seek.

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear Nick,
Thank you for your answer. Sometimes I do get answers (for example, I have recently got an answer about Siegfried Schnell). Well, I'm more interested in pilots' biographies, their personal lives, etc. than in their military careers. On the other hand, questions about the serial numbers of their planes or about the geographic coordinates of an aerial victory are not interesting for me. I'm sorry, but I simply have other interests. Anyway, I'm not nosy and I don't ask for rumours about them. Such things should be available in documents, for example, I have recently been to Freiburg and I had little time (I was at a conference), but I managed to visit the Bundesarchiv and I got a photocopy of a document about Friedrich Rupp (the love of my life), which confirmed that he had been unmarried (the option 'ledig' was marked on it).

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear all,

it is quite easy to answer the question (married or not) with a quick look into the NVM copy. After 1940 the NVM list name and address of the next of kin (nearest relative), i.e. the person to inform after a serious personal tragedy had happened (often by letter from the "Staffelkapitän").
When married, the NVM shows name and address of the wife (stated: "Ehefrau"). When the NVM refers to parents or othe realtives ... then the casualty was not married. Quite easy.

And when married ... there is at least some chance for the existance of common children (which are still alive) ... and/or grandchildren.

To research for these persons make some sense when researching for persons KIA or MIA (photos, documents, ... informations).

So ... i don't think, the question "was xyz married" is so ridiculous.

Regards, Uwe K.

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear all,

to follow Uwes proposal: The NVM for Hptm Wandel has only information on his parents. Also his last place of living ("Wohnort") was the same as his parents'. So it looks like he was not married.

Carl

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear Carl,
Thank you very, very much for your answer. By the way, what does the abbreviation NVM stand for? It might be 'Verlustmeldung', but what does the N stand for?
Best regards,
Teresa

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear Teresa,

NVM stands for "Namentliche Verlustmeldung", that is a report on a killed, wounded or missing individual soldier himself. More often than not it also has some information on the aircraft.

Carl

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear Teresa,

please find attached an example of a fighter unit (I./JG 300) "Namentliche Verlustmeldung". It took me a while to find one with a "good mixture" of married/unmarried cases.

The list gives 5 names. No 1 is slightly wounded, the other 4 KIA.
In column 20 ("Bemerkungen" = "remarks") you find the 'relatives" info.
No 2 to 4 were married, for no 5 the father is listed as 'next of kin'.

Regards, Uwe K.

Edit 6.4.2018: Attachement removed by author, since Teresa has already seen it - my "mission" is completed. ;) . Uwe K.

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear Carl and Uwe,
Thank you very much for your explanations.
Best regards,
Teresa

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

However, if one asks WASt for NVMs nowadays, personal detail such as this are blacked out. Thanks to Data Protection & soon to be GDPR

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

That's a pity, Chris! By the way, what do the abbreviations WASt and GDPR stand for?

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

WASt https://www.dd-wast.de/de/startseite.html
GDPR General Data Protection Regulation

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Hi,

the GDPR is made for the protection of LIVING people. The protection of the basic personal information ends with the death of the person.

Serious researchers can get the information from WASt - but no fotocopies of NVMs. The WASt is not a public archive. Their main task is of juristic nature (pensions due to military duty, questions of parentage and legacy, identification of missing and unidentified, ...). The work of WASt is paid for by the German taxpayer.

Regards, Uwe K.

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Living Next of Kin and/ or family are still subject to GDPR hence under Data Protection, when photocopies were made available, place, date & NOK details were always blanked out. In the early days they were not which allowed researchers to track down people & their families especially when last known address was added by WASt

Re: Joachim Wandel
 

Dear Chris, Uwe and Snautzer,
Thank you very, very much for your answers. Have a nice weekend!