Whirlwind photos
 

Not sure if these had been seen before or not? Posted on another forum,
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=950305

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I believe that this is P-7095 SF-H lost with Sgt Brown on 23.01.43

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It is. Brown's cause of death was under unexplained circumstances which could possibly raise questions about his treatment after he force landed.

Obviously fairly rare images of a Whirlwind lost over France on ops.

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Hi
Yes, strange circumstances indeed.

There are a few photos of whirlwind losses on ops kicking around :)

jerry

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here are a couple of others first is HE-G the other is unknown to me

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I believe the "other" is SF-H shown in my OP.

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This is indeed a good question. But in January 1943 are no bad treatments of POW-airmen in Western Europe known. Bad treatment in a number of cases started after the Goebbels speach and newpaper article from July 1944, when he said that the German Police should not protect enemy terror-bomber-crews by the anger of the population.

In your case, something strange must have happend.

Horst Weber

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Hello,
These pictures appeared in the LEMB forum some years ago.
In post five above the second photo with a mast in the background is Browns a/c "SF-H".
The same mast can be viewed in other photos of his a/c.
Alex

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many thanks for info clears up an unknown

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Hi Jerry,

I really just meant that photos of downed Whirlies are rarer than say photos of Spits. They are out there but not in huge numbers such as those of other British fighter and fighter/bomber types.

Horst, I think one problem with this assumption is that Brown was strafing ground targets nearby when he was brought down. This certainly wouldn't be the only time that a downed airman was summarily dealt with by the those he'd been strafing. The "unexplained circumstances" for his death only adds fuel to the fire here. As we know the German authorities were usually quite concise in terms of stating an airman had died of wounds or succumbed to wounds while undergoing medical treatment.

I agree this is all conjecture but the "unexplained circumstances" brings up a red flag for me in this instance especially due to what this airman was doing before force landing.

In truth we'll probably never know so I admit my hypothesis is pure conjecture.

Cheers,

Tim

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Hi
There was an article in an old issue of jet & prop ?
that covered brown's crash etc
cheers
jerry

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There is a recent book "263 and 137 Sqns the Whirlwind Years" by Robert Bowater which includes some info. Unfortunately in an Appendix he writes that Brown was buried near Lille a/f and in the main text he writes he was buried near Amiens a/f. It seems the causes for suspicion about the circumstances of his death are that news of what had happened to him was not received in Britain through the usual channels and when the body was found that is assumed to be him there were no dog tags with it.

Steve

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Jerry !

Is this the German magazine Jet & Prop ?. If so, do you know the issue of this particular Jet & Prop magazine ?. In my possession are all issues from 1993 up to now.
Do you have a time-frame, when this article was published in the magazine ?.

Thanks !

Horst Weber

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Hi
yes the german magazine

issue 6/92,

pm me your e mail if you need to
cheers
jerry

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Jerry, was there anything new in the article concerning the cause of Brown's death?

There certainly seem to be a few things which make either his death and/or burial unusual.

And thank you Steve as well for the additional information regarding Bowater's book.

Best,

Tim

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Hi
PM me your e mail if you want
the article is in german
cheers
jerry