Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

According to my info, Albrecht belly-landed this a/c on 19/12/42.
Does anyone know the unit codes it carried? I would imagine S9+?M, and if so what was the ?. If not, he could have borrowed an a/c from another staffel, and again if so, what were the codes?
Thanks
Peter

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

Good evening dear PMoz99,

sorry, I cannot answer your question but I'm interested in Egon Albrecht, too.
Was he a Brazilian citizen or a German ?

Cheers,

Michael

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

Hello Michael,

Apparently he was born in Curitiba, Paraná State (Brazil), a town that produced a lot of Brazilian heroes in WW2...(Gomm, Albrecht, etc.).

A.

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

Good evening Adriano,

nice to hear from you.
The name Albrecht sounds much more German than Portuguese.
I suppose he was merely the son of a German couple living abroad, wasn't he ?

Have a nice Thusday,

Michael

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

Yes Michael,

They were born here from German fathers (sometimes Mothers as well) who were working and living there.

There are at least some 15+ such Brazilians that flew for the LW...with much more that served the Whermacht, Kriegsmarine, SS, etc.

I know at least 2 LW airmen from Chili and there were a couple from other Southern Countries as well (if memory doest not play a trick on me).

Of course, the contingent of Brazilian born that served the RAF, RCAF, SAAF is much greater...I have some 120+ biographies started about those...in 6-7 volumes....a long work to Honour them properly...some 1,600 written pages in more than 12 years...

Clostermann for instance was also born in Curitiba...the same town of Gomm and Egon Albrecht!

Adriano

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

I remember seeing an art of a Bf 110 C, coded S9+IM that was attributed to Albrecht....but can not confirm this.

I do not have VASCO's work about SKG 210...maybe some of you which do have it can help us...

VASCO is certainly the one who may know the correct codes for Albrecht's machines...whilst he was flying with SKG 210 and ZG 1 (Wespe).

A.

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

No code in the loss or the Vasco book.

Bf 110D-3, 3666, ALBRECHT, Ltn. Egon, , II., 4., ZG 1, , , , , 19-Dec-42, Bruchlandung due to severe ground conditions., Bf 110C-4, Bm Fw. Hans Papp, 45% per 1st loss entry & Vasco., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.137, Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.324, Krasnodar, 80%, H, Bf Uffz. Karl Urban & Bs Fw. Hans Rapl, , MIAG at Braunschweig in Sep-40

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

According to a post of Matti Salonen on 22 Oct 2011 in a thread about Uffz Urban the Werknummer of Lt Albrecht’s Bf 110 C-4 on 19 Dec 1942 was 3566, not 3666.

Regards
Leo

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

That's impressing.
I wish you a good progress with your project.

Cheers,
Michael

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

#8 - And therein lies the rub with said documents - it's not unusual for the different types of related documents to not always agree. In this case, did Matti have the benefit of an WASt loss entry?

Bf 110D-3, 3666, ALBRECHT, Ltn. Egon, , II., 4., ZG 1, , , , , 19-Dec-42, Bruchlandung due to severe ground conditions., Bf 110C-4, Bm Fw. Hans Papp, 45% per 1st loss entry & Vasco., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.137, Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.324, Krasnodar, 80%, H, Bf Uffz. Karl Urban & Bs Fw. Hans Rapl, , MIAG at Braunschweig in Sep-40

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

There is no NVM for this loss. I have found in GQM documents both 3566 and 3666. Because 3666 was damaged on 14.8.1942 at 13.(Z)/JG 5, I suppose that correct WNr. for the 19 Dec 1942 loss is 3566. Please note also that GQM loss return dated 30.12.1942 gives version C-4, which fits to 3566 (3666 is version D-3).

Matti

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

That there is no NVM makes sense given that there doesn't appear to be any casualty involved in the incident. Note that in Prien, et al in Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.3, p.504 gives the WNr. as 3664!! I have no other incidents for either WNr. 3566 or WNr. 3666 so other than Matti's point that the subtype named in the loss is a Bf 110C-4, it's a bit of a toss up!!

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

In the GQM loss return dated 30 Dec 1942 the Albrecht crew is listed as injured. This entry was corrected on 21 July 1943: Besatzung Lt Albrecht unverletzt.

Leo

Egon Albrecht Bf 110 C-4 WNr 3566
 

Hello

I noticed that the Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen for II./ZG 1 lists four Bf 110 C/E/F sub-types and one Bf 110 D sub-type as lost to strength without enemy action in December 1942 ... Could this information help determine the sub-type involved in this particular incident?

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

I very much doubt WNr. 3664, because it seems to be used by DVL and damaged twice:
1943-05-13, DVL Adlershof, Bf 110 D-3, 3664, Fl.Pl. Berlin-Johannisthal
Notlandung infolge Motorstörung. Bruch 10 %.
1944-03-23 (1944-04-23?), DVL, Bf 110 D-3, 3664, Fl.Pl. Berlin-Johannisthal
Rollschaden. Bruch 15 %.


Also, it is not version C-4.


Matti

Re: Egon Albrecht Bf110C-4 WNr 3666
 

Good afternoon Gentlemen,

did Egon Albrecht score all his kills in the Bf 110 ?

I wish you a good New Year's Eve, sincerely,

Michael