Unidentified "Allied" wrecks
 

Hi everyone

I am slowly going through a Flickr sire called ww2images archive and come across this picture.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2ima...in/dateposted/

Can anyone identify or give a clue what we are looking at?

We can forget about Soviet Union and probably Western Europe as well.

Any takers?

Cheers
Stig

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hi
Random thought
Civilian aircraft from ecuador or estonia ?
Cheers
Jerry

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Hello,
Took a look in the "J" File.
Only a/c with serial number E88## would have been a DH9a.

E880 to E889
880 damaged in a whirlwind 5.5.26.
No 881 ?
No 882 ?
883 hit tree on t/o, Kenley 14.8.22.
884 27 Sqn(H) 10.24 - 12.24.
No 885
886 55 Sqn 1.25 - 4.25.
887 60 Sqn 6.29 - Aircraft Depot Drigh Road 3.30 Dual Control ?
No 888
889 1FTS 7.28.

And

E8801; E8803; E8804; E8805 and E8806.
All seemed to have served in India.
No mention of E8800 or E8802.
However "03" with 60 Sqn undershot and hit telephone wires, Risalpur, 1.7.23, following entries are Aircraft Park Lahore 12.23 and Aircraft Park Lahore 4.24.

Hope this helps
Alex

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Thanks Guys

I think we can discard the shown wrecks to be directly civilian.
Estonia used ES and Ecuador HC in the believed timeframe of the picture and while it is true that Estonia used E + digits during its "early years" they never reached 88 before switching to ES.

Neither do I think they are British, Alex, especially not the one facing us, nose down and with either 58 or S8 on the fuselage. Czeck?

Cheers
Stig

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Hi Stig,

Having given them a bit more thought, I think they might be Greek Avro Tutors, the wing shape is right along with the inset ailerons. I won't alter the caption just yet though as I'm not totally convinced!

Mark P

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Stig,

According to this link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=U7...20%20E&f=false

the Hellenic Royal Air Force (HRAF) did use "E" to denote trainers. The photo does show a Avro Tutor E.50. One difference seems to be the period after the E.

The wing and struts visible in the photo do seem to match up with a Avro Tutor.

Here is a model of a post Oct 1940 Greek Avro Tutor. Here the period after the E seems to have been dropped.


In the comments on this model is a statement that 6 Avro 621s and 626s escaped to Crete where three were destroyed the remaining 3 made it to Egypt.

https://helaf.files.wordpress.com/20...04-model-2.jpg


Rolland

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Mark/Robert

YES!! You just made my day!!!!
Of course!

Easy to see when someone else already has done the legwork :)
E88 is then a licence built Avro 621 while 58 could well be E58 one of the origial ones built.

Thank you very, very much. No more sleepless nights....:D

Cheers
Stig

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Hello,
The Greek AF received some 30 or so from the UK and at least 60 were built by a Greek company, so they had around 90 Tutors in total, four escaped to Egypt, what became of those that survived the combat period, were they all destroyed or did the Luftwaffe use some or forward some to their allies for training ?
Alex

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I can confirm that these are Greek Avros - the location is at Argos

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Now that was interesting Alex

30 Avro c/n are known (E50 to E79)
Highest confirmed number I have is E108.
What is your source for around 60 built?

Tom
Thanks for the place

Cheers
Stig

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Stig,

On the Hellenic Air Force site, this page is about the Avro Tudors.

https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor...vro-621-tutor/

It appears 30 were delivered from Avro and while 62 more were to be built locally by the State Airplane Factory, they only had completed 30 to 32 or so when the war started. It is not clear how many were actually built locally in total but it would appear that perhaps they did not build all of the 62 that were planned.

Rolland

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See also here:
http://britishaviation-ptp.com/avro_tutor.html

which details the A. V Roe orders and also discusses the licence built aircraft and includes this footnote on the Greek built Tutors:

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Rolland/Orwell

Thanks for the pointers. Interesting sites.

Cheers
Stig

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Stig, if you'll find other "oddities", please share them with us, too!

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Will do my best Dénes :)

Cheers
Stig