Soviet pilot and event ID
 

Can you help with the pilot and event id ? by the way
what Regiment was this ? As into IL-2's shot any idea
about this Air Regiment ?

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IL-2: 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 715 ShAP in Hungary in December, 1944 - January, 1945.

My guess from L to R (based on their military ID photo I have):

- ?
- ?
- Shamanov (+21.01.1945., IL-2 No.'24', S/N: 10167, or 11811, or 10544)
- Fioletov (+18.01.1945., IL-2 No.'28', S/N: 11947)
- Semenov (+22.01.1945., IL-2 No.'25', S/N: 10167, or 11811, or 10544)
- ?
- Moskvichev (+04.01.1945., IL-2 No.'21', S/N: 11536)
- ?
- Parshin gunner (+19.01.1945., IL-2 No.'4', S/N: 1887803)
- Tazetdinov (+14.01.1945., IL-2 No.'8', S/N: 10465)
- ?
- Petrosyan (+18.01.1945., IL-2 No.'2', S/N: 11222, or 12047)
- ?
- ?

Definitely before January 04, 1945, since Moskvichev was KIA by then...
Gabor

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See sample ID pic of Gv.Ml.Lt. Edward Petrovich Petrosyan. (гв.мл.л-т Петросян Эдуард Петрович pilot (№19907, MIA - 18.01.1945)

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Very useful info Gabor , those are rare photos from VVS Archives , how on
the earth you found out this difficult info ? As into Petrosian can you
confirm the Air Regiment number and the aircraft type ? MIA where ?

Alex K

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Alex,
When I say I "research" the VVS over Hungary, I really mean it ;-))))) We, and our Museum have our own connections to Russian Archives too and had a few AC recovery projects with the Russian partners in the past. Believe me, we have unbelievable stuff... But I do not understand your question. Confirm regiment number and aircraft type???? Your group-photo shows 715 ShAP pilots with 715 ShAP IL-2s in the background in Hungary during the winter of 1944-45, before January 4. 715 ShAP had the markings of painted spinners (in squadron specific color), plus a long and a short white, diagonal tail stripe. All visible here. Petrosyan was lost in a dogfight with Hungarian fighters on January 18, 1945 in IL-2 #2 between Berhida and Székesfehérvár. Petrosyan previously flew Po-2s too in the 17 VA, 262 NBAD, 97 GvNBAP, - that's in his ID stamp. Many 715 ShAP IL-2s carried the inscription of "Черниговский Комсомолец" on their fuselage, see attached color graphic. Petrosyan's lost crew:

гв.мл.л-т Петросян Эдуард Петрович pilot (№19907, MIA)
Малинчук gunner (+)

But to prove, that I already had your photo, I attach a detail, in which even the face of the far right guy is partially visible, which was not seen in yours.
Cheers,
Gabor

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Here is the military photo ID of Ml.Lt. Evgenii Ivanovich Semenov (17 VA, 136 ShAD, 715 ShAP). See 136 ShAD stamp in his photo. He is the 5th in the group-photo from the left. His lost crew on January 21, 1945 in his IL-2 No.'25' was:

мл.л-т Семенов Евгений Иванович pilot (№19893, +)
ст.с-т Иванов Федор Кириллович gunner (+)

They crashed near their airfield of Tököl, Hungary.
Gabor

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Gabor

Thanks for your feedback but I guess we runned into a confussion. My Q
was regarding the 2nd photo of my post which depicts a LA type acft
with Suvorov Order noseart on the fuselage and not regarding the IL-2's
which I highly appreciate your answer, As into 715 ScHAP this Regiment
remarkably had only 3 losses during 2nd Iasi Chisinau Offensive and before
leaving to Bulgaria . Most of the pilots IDed by you were already Krimean
and Iasi campaigns

Thanks again

Alex K

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Glad to be of help. Unfortunately I have no idea about the Yak fighter. Does not ring a bell.
Gabor

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Hi Alex,
17 VA, 136 ShAD, 715 ShAP lost 2 IL-2s on August 20, '44 (ст.л-т Алентьев, р-й Девякович) and another plane on August 21, 1944. (мл.л-т Демченко Александр Иванович's IL-2)

17 VA, 136 ShAD, 210 ShAP also lost an IL-2 (No.'29') with the мл.л-т Львов Виктор Ильич crew onboard on August 21, 1944.

17 VA, 136 ShAD, 989 ShAP also lost an IL-2 on the 21st: мл.л-т Куценко Николай Иванович's plane.

Do you have any idea about their crash sites and plane numbers?
Thanks,
Gabor

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Demtschenko NNE of Tarutino , Alenteev & Deviakovitch South of Causheni no
precise location. Deviakovitschi was stripped his Captain ranks to Private as
last option before field court martial avoiding Straffbat due intervention of
Gen.Sudetz Vladimir Alexandrovitsch the reasons remain as we speak classified .

Lvov SSW of Taraclia possible shot down by Romanian Mountain Brigade AA

As into Kutzenko I am puzzled not to find the 989th SchAP on my records
one of the reasons is that from March 44 through April as part of 2 VA
the group despite integrated into 17 VA moved from Cernauti through Chisinau
I therefore need to check more on this.

Finally as into Pvt Msg I will do it on the weekend when time allows

PS : OBD has changed and became user unfriendly

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Thanks a lot. I found the 989 Shap having great documentation, but I have their records just for later period. 136 shad regiments are a few of those who recorded even their AC markings, numbers as well. Do you have any pic showing their markings? 306 shad markings are ok, but 136 shad not quite. Thanks,
Gabor

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Hi Gabor

This Regiment is completly new to my research area , I have no information about
his movement during 1st and 2nd Iasi Chisinau Offensives nor any photos , just Opersvodka of 17 VA tahough also there they not mention much . Frankly I think
they were moved to Hungaria much earlier than I thought

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Well, in November, 1944 the 989th ShAP fought in Yugoslavia around Panchevo, then in early December, 1944 they entered Hungary. This was one of the few soviet air units having many Spanish airmen enlisted. Celestino Martinez Fierros and many others.

Gabor

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Gabor ,

Do you have more details and photos about this Regiment , I will pay back with
material about Hungaria with what ever available

BR
Alex K

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Photos of pilots, but not aircrafts, (or at least not identified aircrafts. ) Tons of materials, but for 1944-45, Hungary, including all of their losses.

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Gabor can you email me some clear aircraft photos
also when you say 1944 that means Bulgaria rather
Moldova right ? Can you help ?

Thanks
Alex

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I have no identified 989 ShAP AC photos. I'd say November, 1944-April, 1945. No research before and/or after.

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fighter aircraft is Yak-9M -so it dates from '44 or '45
sorry to say I cannot identify unit or pilot :(

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Thanks for the ID

Cheers
Alex K