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Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Gentelmen,
please, I need help to list all Allied units that flew Spitfire IX from Italy over Yugoslavia in months October and November of 1944. Thank you for reading! With kind regards, Marko Jeras |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Marko,
It might be tricky differentiating between Spitfire IX and Spitfire VIII units based in Italy. Many photos captioned with Mk IX are actually the Mk VIII version (with retractable tailwheel). This website might start you off: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/DETAIL...mj730/mkix.htm It follows the unit path of Spitfire IX (MJ730) through the Italy/Corsica/Greece/Jugoslavia based squadrons. Regards, ...geoff |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Additionally:
32 Sqn RAF (Mk V, VIII, IX) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/32_wwII.html 73 Sqn RAF (mixture of Mk V, VIII, IX) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/73_wwII.html 92 Sqn RAF (Mk VIII in 1944) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/92_wwII.html 94 Sqn RAF (Mk V & Mk IX) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/94_wwII.html 111 Sqn RAF (Mk IX) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/111_wwII.html 154 Sqn RAF (Mk IX, then Mk V in 1944) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/154_wwII.html 249 Sqn RAF (Mk IX, but P-51 in late-1944) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/249_wwII.html 601 Sqn RAF (Mk IX in late-1944) http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/601_wwII.html 2, 3, 4, 7, 40 Sqn SAAF (Mk IX in late-1944) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...fication_codes Not a comprehensive list, but hopefully will get you started. ...geoff |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello,
Invariably missed when compiling lists such as this is, No.1435 Squadron, RAF. http://www.historyofwar.org/air/unit...1435_wwII.html Col. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hi Marko
In Dec 44 the Balkan Air Force had the following Spitfire Squadrons, aside from 351 Sqn which you know about. 32 Sqn had Mark Vc, VIII and IXs 73 Sqn Spitfire IXs. No mention in the Gorm 541 of any other Mark. 94 Sqn had Mark Vc, 253 Sqn I dont have the info too hand, but in Aug it was all Mark Vc. All the other units had left the BAF, or were on Mustangs. Cheers Russell |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Following on from what Russell said, my (possibly fallible) memory of researching the Mediterranean Theatre is that normally Balkan Air Force units didn't operate over Italy and Desert Air Force didn't operate over Yugoslavia. That should help narrow your search a bit.
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Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Great data! Thank you very much gentelmen!
I am looking for one perticular plane, that was landed, not crashed, on the territory of Independent State of Croatia in mid-October - mid-November period. How to proceed with research? Is there any kind of monthly, weekly or daily reports that would show losses, pilots that did not returend to Italy bases? |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Marko,
For the October/November 1944 time period you asked for. I had understood for the Mk.IX the following squadrons would possibly fit in. But not perhaps have operated over Yugoslavia. 72; 73; 87; 93; 111; 185; 242; 253; 601. There may also be SAAF squadrons too. US squadrons would I think be Mustang equipped by that time. Alex |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Marko,
If it is a/c lost that you look for ? These are the only ones in the time frame you give that were over Yugoslavia. Mk.IX October 5th - MK406 - 73 Sqn. 17th - A/c ? [ ER490 Mk. V ]- 253 Sqn. ( edited ). November 18th - MH958 - 253 Sqn. And Mk. VIII November 12th - JF466 - 92 Sqn. 12th - JF894 - 92 Sqn. Alex |
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The daily summary section on "own losses" should give you the Squadron (or possibly the Wing) that was missing a Spitfire from Balkan ops that day. After that, you can go to the Wing (AIR 26/ series) or Squadron (AIR 27/) Operations Record Books for the details. However only the AIR 27/ series are available to download, the other files are on paper only. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hi Alex!
Thank you for your input! Only three planes in two whole months? Ok. I know that MH958 is not the one I look for. I will try my luck with 17th Oct loss. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello,
There were others I expect, but the ones I gave were lost over Yugoslavia. MK406 - Sgt. J. H. Shearer. (Ditched/rescued/safe). a/c ?[ ER490 Mk. V ] - F/O. Maurice William Smyth - 130926 - RAFVR. ( edited ). MH958 - P/O. Woods. JF466 - F/Sgt. Smith. [ cwgc = W/O. Egbert Smith - 414974 - RAAF ]. JF894 - F/O. Lane. [ cwgc = F/O. John James Lane - 185363 - RAFVR ]. Alex |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Marko,
You may wish to squire these pages - National Archives http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...se/r/h/C111815 The answer may be within ? Alex |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hi Alex! I got those, but only training program in there.
I still search for central record place where reports given by pilots that evaded capture or were reseased. That statementa give most detailed data on what happened. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
253. ORBs give interesting data. F/O Smythe bale out over Pelješac island on 17. October but in ROE his plane is not listed on that day. Like he has not flown that day...
Anyway, 253. flew Mk.Vc in October. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello,
Spitfire V ER490 of No.253 Sqn., was abandoned off Peljesac on 17 Ocotber, 1944, when it developed a glycol leak (130926 F/O Maurice William SMYTH RAFVR [later DFC]). Smyth had been hit by enemy ground fire whilst strafing M/T, he baled out and later evaded. Col. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
SOE nicely describe his gathering 16 dinghy hours...
But...I look for a Spitfire IX that pilot landed on Croatian territory. |
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Col. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
My mistake, thank you!
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Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Marko and Col,
I think that it was my error in my post that gave Smythe . I have edited my posts to now include the new/correct info. Still it leaves this mystery Spitfire IX. Alex |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello,
Went through the AB serial numbers for Mk.IX Spitfire's. Looked only at October & November 1944. EN 140 - 1 SAAF - 16-10-44. 402 - 7 SAAF - 24-10-44. 476 - 1 SAAF - 21-11-44 528 - 7 SAAF - 6-11-44. JL 172 - 7 SAAF - 17-11-44. 254 - 7 SAAF - 14-11-44. 304 - 253 - 24-10-44. 353 - 87 - 7-11-44. 365 - 94 - 23-10-44. MA 486 - Med - 15-10-44. 526 - 10 SAAF - 16-10-44. 638 - 93 - 20-10-44. 732 - 41 SAAF - Soc 30-11-44. 734 - 1435 - Soc 10-44. 743 - 73 - 16-11-44. 759 - Med - 15-10-44. MH 534 - 601 - Soc 23-10-44. 647 - 1435 - 22-10-44. 654 - 1435 - 21-10-44. 833 - 87 - 26-11-44. 930 - 40 SAAF - 17-10-44, NW of Cesenatico. 958 - 253 - 18-11-44. 976 - 4 SAAF - 13-11-44. 995 - 4 SAAF - 20-11-44. MJ 506 - 40 SAAF - 12-10-44. 513 - 43 - Soc 10.44. 613 - 4 SAAF - 29-10-44. 680 - 3 SAAF - 5-11-44. 743 - 73 - 16-11-44. 788 - 4 SAAF - 3-10-44. 926 - 4 SAAF - 24-10-44 984 - 601 - Soc 23-10-44. MK 406 - 73 - 5-10-44. 486 - 185 - 6-11-44. 627 - 40 SAAF - 12-11-44. 755 - 43 - 2 -10-44. ML Nil. More to follow Alex |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
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Nil. PK 156 - 87 - 28-11-44. 323 - 241 - 20-10-44. 345 - 601 - 7-10-44. 372 - 601 - 13-11-44. PT 375 - 7 SAAF - 24-10-44. 411 - 72 - 21-11-44. 491 - 4 SAAF - 21-11-44. 557 - 87 - 26-11-44. 583 - 601 - 5-11-44. 606 - 601 - 21-11-44. 646 - 601 - 13-10-44. 648 - 601 - 10-11-44. 649 - 127 - 6-11-44. 701 - 241 - 20-11-44. 707 - 73 - 15-11-44. 728 - 4 SAAF - 18-11-44. 773 - 43 - 16-11-44. 831 - 4 SAAF - 17-11-44. 839 - 87 - 22-11-44. PV Nil. RK 812 - 1 FP - 18-10-44. 838 - 349 - 29-11-44. 861 - 127 - 3-11-44. RR 227 - 127 - 28-11-44. 233 - ? - 19-10-44. There were many others but not in the Middle East. Good luck, Alex |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Please explain. What is this and what is the source of data?
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Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Marko,
A list of Spitfire Mk. IX's lost in October/November 1944. Given as - For example aa 123 - 123 - 12-3-1944 Serial number - Squadron - Date. There were others but they were not in the Middle East. AB serial numbers Better known as - Air Britain RAF Serial number Book series AA100 through to ZZ999. Alex |
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27-11-1943 No.249 Sqn. Spitfire Vc JL346:GN-F Hit by flak. Pilot baled out over sea about five miles from the Albanian coast, seen to get into his dinghy. ASR searches located the pilot but Walrus unable to land. Later searches failed to re-locate him. NZ412283 F/O (Pilot) Allen John SYKES RNZAF - Missing, presumed dead. Commemorated on the Malta Memorial. See: 249 at War:The Authorised History of the RAF's Top-Scoring Fighter Squadron of WWII Cull,Brian London:Grub Street,1997 pp.173 & 265 Col. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Alex, thank you for explanation!
Mr. Bruggy, you can find anything! Thank you for your input. |
Re: Spitfire IX units in Italy, October-November 1944.?
Hello Col,
As I said the info I gave is from the AB series books. From JA100-JZ999 It has for JL346 the following. Page 44. JL346 - 253/249 - NFT. The info you have provided may well be correct, I do not dispute it. Thank you for your additional information. But wasn't it already given in an earlier post in this thread ? Alex |
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