Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?
 

Hello, everyone.
Does anyone have any info on the Junkers Ju 88C-4/6(?) C9+NT that was in an Ebay-auction some days ago? Or operational info in the NJ Geschwader?
The aircraft in question was transported by road from Coulommiers airfield to the Frontreparaturbetrieb at Vélizy-Villacoublay - some 77 kilometres.
Does anyone have further info on this aircraft as to where and when exactly it crash landed or was destroyed/damaged..?
Time frame: somewhat around NOV 1942 according to the info provided by the seller... The aircraft seems to have a two tone grey colour scheme which fits the time frame mentioned...
With kind regards,
Piet Bouma - NL

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Missed out on photo, maybe same a/c, only one I have having crash in NJG 5 at Coulommiers in this period was Ju 88 C-6 360176. Can someone post the saved link to this photo?

Assembled in Bernburg Germany about February/March 42 - Ju 88 C-6/B (Medium range) 0880360176 RR+SZ (Price RM 217.100) - III/NJG 2 damaged 15% Gilze Rijen 24.07.42 - IV/NJG 5 (Lw.Befh.Mitte) Non-OPS (H) pilot error and swung on landing (25%) at Coulommiers Airfield, east of Paris, France 03.11.1942 - Entered FRW Villacoublay 11.11.42, ready 18.12.42, collected by same unit 18.12.42 - was C9+AE by 30.04.43 (likely was or had been the personal aircraft of ´Luftwaffe ace´ Prinz zo Sayn. Wittgestein). - then NJ Kdo 13.(Z)/JG 5 by 02.44 (SIG Luftwaffe; ww2.dk; Nick Beale on TOCH forum 13.10.2010) - NJS Finnland 01.08.44 - NJSt Norwegen 31.12.44 - no further info

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This one? http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...&postcount=450

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Thanks Snautzer.

For the second picture, you have to click on "angebot" in the blue strip to see it.

Jim

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Thanks. Not found in this sellars DW ex-listings (went back to 27 May, but over 1.000 pages total)

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Ed, thanks very much for your info - there's a good chance it's this very aircraft. Seller had multiple photographs and the dates at the back of these pics were at the least confusing. Two pics showing the aircraft on a trailer behind the Luftwaffe truck were taken at the same spot and date - but had different dates in the text and/or at the back of the pics.
Thanks again..!
With kind regards,
Piet Bouma - NL

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Ed,
Now that I come to think of it, the seller also had a picture of Ju 88C-6 (-6 most probably, taken from your info) C9+AE - which was parked in front of a hangar at Coulommiers. The aircraft had FuG 202/212 radar arrays on the nose and sported several Abschußbalken on the tail - so after repair this aircraft was handed over (or used extensively) to (by) Prinz Zu Sayn-Wittgenstein...

An interesting aircraft - did anyone here obtain the photograph of C9+AE by chance? If so, maybe you would be so kind as to send a scan to Theo Boiten for use in the new NCA series..? That would be a very important contribution to the series...

With kind regards and thanks again to all..!
Piet Bouma - NL

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I do not want my info going into Mr. Boiten books.

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I notice that there are other aircraft in trailers being sold by this seller only now because of interest, he has now hiked up starting price

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Hi, Ed and Chriss.

This is turning into a strange conversation, which was not my intention at all.
"I do not want my info going into Mr. Boiten books." I thought 12 o'clock high! was a forum for people who are interested in all aspects of the air war - and that people here are sharing information so to help each other studying and understanding the greater picture.

I also would like to make clear that I do not have anything to do with this seller or seller's prices. The fact that "he has hiked up the starting price" could have another reason. The lorry in front of the trailer with the aircraft (parts) looks like a Beute lorry to me. I'm not a car/lorry enthusiast, but I think the lorry in question might even be British of origin, but I could be wrong. By the way - the aircraft on the trailer are no NJG Nachtjäger, so that can't drive up the price imho. I've managed to buy two pictures of C9+NT for a fair price from this seller, Ed. Your 60% doesn't come near, I'm afraid... ;)

Hopefully we can keep sharing info on this fantastic forum, I would appreciate that very much.

With kind regards,
Piet Bouma

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Dear Mr North,

First of all, I tried to find a link to show you these photographs, but nowadays on some auction some sites the photographs in question disappear at the very moment the auction terminates, I'm afraid.

You also wrote: "After all I did give the info, to you, for free, (...) and using that as cause for raising startprice is outrageous. Misuse of generosity." Again, I would like to stress that I am not the seller and I have no connection to the seller whatsoever - so I don't feel I have misused your generosity. In fact I thanked you for the info on this particular aircraft - of which I had no info in my own archive.

As far as the depth of ones pockets is concerned - same here, but when you want to get your hands on first sources, I'm afraid these are not for free. I haven't the illusion that I will earn any money back - since I know that British authors (as well as authors from other countries) writing on the subject of the air war during WW II invest a lot of spare time and money on getting these books published for a relatively small audience. Luckily they take this enormous effort and again, luckily - they are backed up by publishers who believe in them. Without these people we would miss out on a lot of interesting reading material. Their perseverance must not be underestimated..!

Nor must we underestimate the work of all these investigators like yourself, who are standing with their feet in the mud and doing the hands on excavation and research work. Standing there - on the crash site or on an old taxiway of a former airfield somewhere in Europe - gives you a sense of the real historical significance - and getting as close to history as one possibly can.

We probably won't get any money back out of such a specialized hobby which has a relatively small audience, but enjoying the warmth of mutual friends here at TOCH! who are willing to share their information with people here who share an interest in the air war is much more satisfying than any amount of money can ever bring..!

With kind regards,
Piet Bouma

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Sorry, Mr. Piet. You did NOT answer the reason why photo be forwarded to other researcher, but not the one giving you the info? This does not look right or fair.
Few finer ways to insault. Now I will ask moderators remove this info.

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Eggert, I know thay Evilbay is now a bit troublesome, but I just spent 1 minute and you can see both trailer pics and their backs:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rNMAA...jt/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KYcAA...j1/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BqgAA...fB/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rWIAA...efJ/s-l500.jpg
Peace.

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Moderators, can you please remove "historical" contents of post #2 of this thread.

Best regards - Eggert

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I'm sorry that you don't understand my peace offering. I suggested that we should be helping each other here at TOCH!. That you are offended by me not offering the photographs to you - I'm sorry, but you declared war immediately, which was not my idea as I tried to explain earlier on in this thread. I simply didn't have the chance to re-find the links of the auctions in the meantime.

It was not clear that you were offended by me forwarding the photo to another researcher and not to you, who indeed have helped me very much as I stated earlier on. Now I understand what the real problem for you was - but I haven't forwarded any photo at all yet - so you've thought up a nasty scheme that didn't take place at all... I'm being accused of things that didn't happen...

My piece offering still stands and I will continue with my initial plan: as soon as the photographs arrive in my mail box I can send you a hi-res scan of both pictures for the use of your own collection - and yes, they will be for free - since I do that with all people who helped me at any point of time.

I hold no grudge against you, Mr. North. I don't get worried by your misunderstanding my intentions - they are not at all wrong, I can assure you.
I have no reason to insult you at all, I even complimented you on the work you're doing on the crash sites. And no, we haven't met (yet), which is a pity - because you'd be assured that I am reasonable colleague researcher...

And yes, I will also send the pictures to another researcher - also for free - since he helped and still helps me a lot too. And now I conclude this thread by declaring officially that I have never intended to insult anyone here at TOCH! at all...

With kind regards,
Piet Bouma
The Netherlands

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Maciej,
Thanks for re-finding the links - which I didn't succeed in. The highest two are indeed referring to one of the photographs we were discussing (the one at Coulommiers) - but the lower two are not showing photograph number two - which was taken at Vélizy-Villacoublay.
But thanks for trying and also thanks for your request for peace.
With kind regards,
Piet

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Dear Mr North,

Like I stated in post #15 "as soon as the photographs arrive in my mail box I can send you a hi-res scan of both pictures for the use of your own collection - for free".
Good news - the photographs arrived today - and both have been scanned in Hi-res ready to be sent to you via WeTransfer as a thank you for information...
Could you please let me know your e-mail address via PM..?

With kind regards,
Piet Bouma
The Netherlands