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Neal1940 3rd September 2018 03:22

German aircraft classifications
 
Hello, first time user here. Looking into German aircraft classifications. Reading a book, in German, "Luftkrieg 1939-1945" by Janusz Piekalkiewics. Find numerous references to Schlachtflugzeug & Zerstorer, anybody know what these terms refer to? These are in addition to the more common tems i.e. Jager (fighter, pursuit), Bomber, Aufklarer (reconnaissance) etc. Greatly appreciate any assistance. thanks in advance.

Nick Beale 3rd September 2018 09:28

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Schlachtflugzeug = ground-attack aircraft
Zerstörer = twin-engined heavy fighter

Graham Boak 3rd September 2018 19:10

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Zerstorer is German for destroyer, and also used for the ship class.

PMoz99 5th September 2018 01:04

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Boak (Post 257324)
Zerstorer is German for destroyer, and also used for the ship class.

True, but as far as aircraft are concerned, I don't think the term was used to describe anything except heavy fighters, mainly the 110, 210 and 410.
But IIRC, some early Zerstörer units did have some single engine a/c - 109s? - that might muddy the water a bit.
Peter

Graham Boak 5th September 2018 10:12

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Yes they did operate the Bf109, but only as a temporary measure due to the early lack of Bf110s. I don't think that's any reason to argue with your identification of the term. Although perhaps the Ju88C/G should be included as a fairly major type in the category. There is some logic to arguing that the Me262 should be included, though it never is. The He219 could be an obvious candidate, but the specialist role of night fighters had overtaken the prewar terminology.

Andrei Demjanko 5th September 2018 12:41

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Hello all

Interesting question about Zerstörer. Does anyone know about some original document, explaining the term?

Judging by the way Zerstörer units were employed from the beginning of the war the term more likely means high-performance twin-engined multipurpose aircraft. And here is the analogy with the warship.

Alfred.MONZAT 5th September 2018 12:46

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Interesting theory but I remain doubtful of it.

Lennart Andersson 5th September 2018 15:27

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Zerstörer is short for Flugzeugzerstörer (aircraft destroyer), perhaps escort fighter would be the appropriate translation. It appears in the November 1935 Flugzeugentwicklungsprogramm and perhaps earlier as well. The Bf 110, FW 57 and Hs 124 were in this category.

Nick Beale 5th September 2018 15:51

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrei Demjanko (Post 257407)
Judging by the way Zerstörer units were employed from the beginning of the war the term more likely means high-performance twin-engined multipurpose aircraft. And here is the analogy with the warship.

Destroyer when applied to a ship is short for "torpedo-boat destroyer" ("contre-torpilleur" in French — I just learned that!), intended to come between the capital ships and said torpedo boats. So not a bad analogy for a bomber escort intended to counter lighter opponents.

Andrei Demjanko 5th September 2018 16:52

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Nick

Yes, it's true. But it is also true that already in the Great War destroyers became multi-purpose ships performing a variety of roles.

Perhaps it would be a strange question, but I'll ask it. What is the source of information, that term Zerstörer means heavy fighter? Is there any LW document explaning it in such a way?


It seems that the German wikipedia supports my interpretation
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerstörer_(Flugzeug)

Nick Beale 5th September 2018 17:30

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrei Demjanko (Post 257429)
Nick

Yes, it's true. But it is also true that already in the Great War destroyers became multi-purpose ships performing a variety of roles.

Exactly, but also true that the Kriegsmarine, which is probably the important analogy in the German context, had both Zerstörer (Z1 et seq.) and Torpedo-Boote (T1 et seq.) throughout the war

Andrei Demjanko 5th September 2018 19:48

Re: German aircraft classifications
 
I will allow myself to quote from the German wikipedia article

Anfang 1934 trat auch das Reichsluftfahrtministerium (RLM) an verschiedene Flugzeughersteller (darunter auch Messerschmitt, Focke-Wulf und Henschel) heran, um ein Mehrzweckflugzeug entsprechend dem Rüstflugzeug II, das auch die Aufgaben eines Zerstörers erfüllen sollte, konstruieren zu lassen. Die offizielle Ausschreibung wurde im Juni 1934 herausgegeben und forderte einen „Kampfzerstörer“


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