Zbigniew Janicki
 

Dear All,
Do you happen to know if Zbigniew Janicki (http://bbm.org.uk/airmen/Janicki.htm) was married?
If so, who was his wife?
Thank you very much in advance.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Maybe this time I'll be lucky...?

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Zbigniew Janicki, no middle initial, married Susanna V. (nee Donohue) in Northumberland in the December 1940 Qtr.


There are three other Zbigniew Janicki's marrying in the UK but all of them are after June 1944.


It may be of interest that out of the 1940 union was born a daughter, Anna D., in Blackpool, in the March 1944 Qtr.


Regards,
Dave

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

MACR 15086
Sadly has no NoK details.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Dear Dave,
Thank you very much for your answer.

Best Regards,
Teresa

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Dear Alex,
Thank you for your answer, but, unfortunately, I don't know the abbreviations MACR and NoK. What do they mean?

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

MACR = Missing Air Crew Report (the US Air Force document issued when an air crew got missing)

NoK = Next of Kin (closest parent to be contacted, appears in most MACR with name, adress and relation (wife, father, mother, etc...))

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Dear Laurent,
Thank you very much for the explanation.
Best Regards,
Teresa

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Not meaning to cast aspersions, but is he entitled to be regarded as a Battle of Britain fighter pilot? The first Squadron he was posted to was 32 Sqdn at Acklington then to 46 Sqdn at North Weald in November 1940, technically after the end of the BoB.
Taking nothing away from him or his achievements, just asking what qualifies someone for a BoB entry.

The American Air Museum in Britain gives his Nationality as "American" http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/238463 with a Service Number, and presumably he's in that group photo.

You might also want to contact Franek Grabowski who posts on the Military Aviation section of PPRuNe and appears to have many details of WW2 Polich airmen.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

His service number was P-76694. The "P" indicating that he was a Polish officer.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Dear Peter,
Thank you very much for this additional information.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Hi all,
Just for clarification sake.
Janicki flew two operational sorties with 32 squadron during the period required to qualify for the BoB clasp.
His first was with blue section on October 16th 1940 flying V6724.
His second was on October 29th flying with red section in P3936.
Regards
Gerry

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Gerry, thanks for the clarification.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

The service number of Zbigniew JANICKI was 76697 RAFVR, not P-76694. Janicki was commissioned in the RAFVR in January, 1940 (RAF Service Numbers 72000-89999 - RAFVR, 1937- January 1941).

Col.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Well that's interesting Col. Bruggy because I was quoting his service number as logged with the 8th USAAF, and here are a couple of pages from his MACR. Are you saying that these primary source documents are incorrect?
Peter

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Peter,
The MACR is wrong. Polish Air Force officers who served in the RAF received a four digit number, starting with a P. Thus Eugeniusz Horbaczewski is P0273. Poles who actually joined the RAF received a five digit number, and thus Janicki is 76694 or 76697 if Col is correct. I have no way of checking which is correct, or why the wrong one is associated with Janicki.

Enjoy!

Frank.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Thanks Frank. Certainly strange because I would have thought that Janicki would have given his service number when joining the 56th or it would have been with any transfer forms. Certainly, Lanny's P-0711 on the MACR follows what you say.
Peter

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Hello,

Here are (RAF) Volunteer Reservists in Janicki's batch:

76689 P/O Tadeusz BLACH +
76690 F/L Marian Stefan CHLEMECKI
76691 F/L Tadeusz Pawel CHLOPIK +
76692 F/O Franciszek CZAJOWSKI +
76693 P/O Stanislaw CZTERNASTEK +
76694 F/O Dominik FENGLER +
76695 F/L Mieczyslaw Stanislaw GORZULA
76696 F/L Franciszek JAKUSZ-GOSTOMSKI +
76697 F/L Zbigniew JANICKI +
76698 F/L Tadeusz Wilhelm KAWALECKI
76699 P/O Bronislaw KROMPIEWSKI +
76700 F/L Tadeusz Leon KUMIEGA
76701 F/L Edmund Andrzej LADRO
76702 S/L Stanislaw LAPKA
76703 F/O Zbigniew NOSOWICZ
76704 F/O Tadeusz NOWAK +
76705 F/O Antoni OSTOWICZ +
76706 P/O Edward Roman PILCH +
76707 S/L Karol PNIAK
76708 F/L Gustaw (Marian?) RADWANSKI
76709 P/O Wlodzimierz Michal SAMOLINSKI +
76710 W/C Stanislaw SKALSKI
76711 F/L Stefan STEGMAN +
76712 P/O Tadeusz Romuald STROYNOWSKI +
76713 F/O Franciszek SURMA +
76714 P/O Pawel ZENKER +
76715 S/L Janusz ZURAKOWSKI

+ indicates killed during WW2

You will notice 76694 is Dominik FENGLER.

Col.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Looks like the USAAF got it wrong from the outset then. Here's part of 56th FG Special Order # 65 dated 14th May 1944.
Peter

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Hello,

RUTKOWSKI (P-0692)and LANOWSKI (P-0711)stayed with the PAF and retained their original Polish numbers, JANICKI transferred to The RAF and received an RAF Officer's number, ie 76697.

Col.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

CWGC lists both his serial number and Fengler's as P/76694:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/c...cki,-zbigniew/


https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/c...gler,-dominik/

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Hello,

They also say he was a member of 61 (R.A.F.) Sqdn., which he was not.

Col.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

According to Anglo-Polish agreement, Polish airmen arriving to the UK in 1939/40 became members of RAFVR, due to the British law preventing foreign troops to be based on the British soil. The law was ammended following fall of France, and according to the new agreement all Polish AF officers arriving from France were already registered in P-XXXX series. All RAFVR Poles were then transferred to the PAF, but retained their RAFVR numbers. Since then ex-RAFVR numbers are usually listed with P prefix.
Janicki had a wife, he married her illegally (without consent of superiors) and was sentenced for that.

Re: Zbigniew Janicki
 

Hello,
Just a thought, but even in these days when a number 4 or a 7 is badly written or even typed on an old typewriter or one that has a dryied up tape. The 4 and 7 can and does easily be misread.
This may well be the cause of the serial number being misinterpreted.
It would perhaps have been copied originally from a hand written document therefore being mistyped and in time bringing us to this question in this thread ?
Alex