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egorrrr 2nd October 2018 16:18

Bf110 C-4 ossprey emblem and pilot's ring
 
Leutnant Dietrich Weyergang was born on 16.07.1918 in Aschersleben and wass killed in action on 05.07.1941 at Titowka Lizabuch 7km west Nordwestspitz.

He was shot down by AA-fire (air defense of Vayengi) together with Uffz. Kurt Tigges flying a Bf110 C-4.

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sidney 3rd October 2018 23:20

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Osprey emblem would be a wasp emblem. Interesting otherwise - have not seen the photos at first.

BrianC 4th October 2018 00:06

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Hi Egorrrr

Has the aircraft been recently discovered?

Cheers
Brian

egorrrr 4th October 2018 08:16

Hi! This link - In 1991, the plane was found (WerkNr. 3235) and now it is located in Berlin, in the technical museum

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Originally Posted by sidney (Post 258623)
Osprey emblem would be a wasp emblem. Interesting otherwise - have not seen the photos at first.

Yes, i was wrong- wasp right

Chris Goss 4th October 2018 09:31

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..and if so were human remains discovered & has WASt been informed?

Zippy1 4th October 2018 11:45

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According to the Volksbund he is currently not buried in a Soldatenfriedhof but is believed to be buried at Liza in Russia. So presumably the bodies were recovered at the time.

BrianC 4th October 2018 12:50

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Hi guys

The following is an extract from 'Air War over the Arctic'


The rampant Hptm Gerhard Schaschke (Stab/ZG76) claimed an I-16 near Litsa Bay on 5 July, accompanied by more from Z-Staffel. The Bf110s had taken off at 15:00 on a mission to Polyarnoe and claimed success over various surface vessels and also set fire to surrounding warehouses and sheds. During this mission LN+ER flown by Ltn Dietrich Weyergang/Uffz Kurt Tigges was shot down by AA fire in the Titovka area and crash-landed at the northen tip of Litsa Bay; both crewmen were killed and their bodies were recovered by a Finnish ski patrol nine days later


Cheers
Brian

Zippy1 4th October 2018 12:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianC (Post 258643)
Hi guys

The following is an extract from 'Air War over the Arctic'


The rampant Hptm Gerhard Schaschke (Stab/ZG76) claimed an I-16 near Litsa Bay on 5 July, accompanied by more from Z-Staffel. The Bf110s had taken off at 15:00 on a mission to Polyarnoe and claimed success over various surface vessels and also set fire to surrounding warehouses and sheds. During this mission LN+ER flown by Ltn Dietrich Weyergang/Uffz Kurt Tigges was shot down by AA fire in the Titovka area and crash-landed at the northen tip of Litsa Bay; both crewmen were killed and their bodies were recovered by a Finnish ski patrol nine days later


Cheers
Brian

Kurt Tigges also listed as "Believed currently buried at Liza, Russia".

BrianC 4th October 2018 13:19

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Hi Zippy & others

Has anyone been able to establish details of Weyergang's claims - seemingly at least ten? The markings on the fin seem to confirm that number, if not more

It is believed that he was credited with five during the Battle of Britain, presumably while flying with 8./ZG76 - any details?

Cheers
Brian

egorrrr 4th October 2018 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianC (Post 258643)
both crewmen were killed and their bodies were recovered by a Finnish ski patrol nine days later

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy1 (Post 258638)
According to the Volksbund he is currently not buried in a Soldatenfriedhof but is believed to be buried at Liza in Russia. So presumably the bodies were recovered at the time.

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Chris Goss 4th October 2018 18:35

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Looks more like a crash not crash-landing so begs the question how come a ring was found when the crew were thought to have been buried?

egorrrr 4th October 2018 20:57

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Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 258675)
Looks more like a crash not crash-landing so begs the question how come a ring was found when the crew were thought to have been buried?

I found this place in June, a pile of aluminum and some devices, and there were bones and parts of shoes on the surface. I packed everything in a bag and buried it. No burial place until now. Perhaps the Finns simply put the pieces of people in the crater. In the ground deep, I found only a burnt parachute and a boot. The ring rang the metal detector for 10 meters away. I made the cross as I could and installed it. Go there - break your legs, wild places. The plane in 91 was taken by helicopter. That the plane was taken out and who were the pilot and radio operator, I learned later.

lilsis 5th October 2018 09:21

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hi

you found the place and the "finnl. grave" , toke personal stuff from it, set a cross and dont say something to official sides?

ok, if so you would be not my hero.

Zippy1 5th October 2018 09:53

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Probably the bodies were badly shattered in the crash and most, but not all of the remains were found and removed.

egorrrr 5th October 2018 10:37

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Originally Posted by lilsis (Post 258694)
hi

you found the place and the "finnl. grave" , toke personal stuff from it, set a cross and dont say something to official sides?

ok, if so you would be not my hero.

Quiet friend, the grave was not there, it is a pity that I did not take the photo as it was. Maybe somewhere near the main grave there, I did what I could - I collected bones from the surface among the debris and buried them. I did not take personal things, everything remained there. God forbid from such happiness. If you know where and you want to inform the official authorities, I will give you the coordinates. If you absolutely insist, next year I will demolish the cross and scatter the bones into place as it was.

Nick Beale 5th October 2018 11:09

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Originally Posted by egorrrr (Post 258698)
Quiet friend, the grave was not there, it is a pity that I did not take the photo as it was. Maybe somewhere near the main grave there, I did what I could - I collected bones from the surface among the debris and buried them. I did not take personal things, everything remained there. God forbid from such happiness. If you know where and you want to inform the official authorities, I will give you the coordinates. If you absolutely insist, next year I will demolish the cross and scatter the bones into place as it was.

None of which explains why you didn't inform the authorities in the first place and why you haven't done it since. That is absolutely fundamental to human decency, let alone aviation archaeology.

Bruce Dennis 5th October 2018 11:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by egorrrr (Post 258698)
I did not take personal things, everything remained there.

egorrrr, the photos you posted show the ring and emblem.


Bruce

lilsis 5th October 2018 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by egorrrr (Post 258698)
Quiet friend, the grave was not there, it is a pity that I did not take the photo as it was. Maybe somewhere near the main grave there, I did what I could - I collected bones from the surface among the debris and buried them. I did not take personal things, everything remained there. God forbid from such happiness. If you know where and you want to inform the official authorities, I will give you the coordinates. If you absolutely insist, next year I will demolish the cross and scatter the bones into place as it was.

Hi,
if you are men enough write a mail to Verein zur Bergung deutscher Gefallener in Ostdeutschland (VGBO) and Verbund Deutsche Kreigsgräberfürsorge e.V. (VDK) , That ist the minimum what you "must" do - and not in "each forum (like feldgrau usw. )"Hey if you like i can send coordinates - no just that not. regards

egorrrr 5th October 2018 14:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Dennis (Post 258700)
egorrrr, the photos you posted show the ring and emblem.


Bruce

The ring is left there, it is a very bad omen to take it. I make a photo - there is a coat of arms and may be someone looking for it.
I have only an emblem.

egorrrr 5th October 2018 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lilsis (Post 258705)
Hi,
if you are men enough write a mail to Verein zur Bergung deutscher Gefallener in Ostdeutschland (VGBO) and Verbund Deutsche Kreigsgräberfürsorge e.V. (VDK) , That ist the minimum what you "must" do - and not in "each forum (like feldgrau usw. )"Hey if you like i can send coordinates - no just that not. regards

I agree. I learned that in such cases, I must to write in Volksbund. Oк.

egorrrr 5th October 2018 15:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 258699)
None of which explains why you didn't inform the authorities in the first place and why you haven't done it since. That is absolutely fundamental to human decency, let alone aviation archaeology.

Instead of lecturing, it would be better to give specific advice about further actions. Not everyone knows how it works.

Nick Beale 5th October 2018 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by egorrrr (Post 258711)
Instead of lecturing, it would be better to give specific advice about further actions. Not everyone knows how it works.

The obvious first course of action would have been to notify the police.

Bruce Dennis 11th October 2018 13:32

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