FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Hello

On the night of June 12/13 1944, Halifax LK850 of 158 Squadron claimed an FW.190 near Rouen.

The 158 Sqn. O.R.B. Form 541 has the following:

At 01.38 hrs, 4940N 0225E height 8,000 on homeward trip Me-109 fired and R/G replied. No claim. At 01.56 hrs 4935N 0105E 7,000 ft. homeward saw red flare and then 2 FW.190 on port beam below. M/U/G gave 2 20-sec. bursts and saw one FW.190 burst into flames and go down. Confirmed by B/A and R/G and claimed destroyed.

Is it possible there is an ID for this FW.190 the Halifax claimed?

Many thanks,

Regards

Simon

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

A possible pointer:
http://www.gyges.dk/Wilde%20Sau%20Frankrig.htm
bregds
SES

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Thank you - a very interesting link.

Regards

Simon

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Hello ,

Just a question wich Luftwaffe unit(s) flew FW-190's at night ?

Grts
Alain57

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

The principal role of the following was night bombing: I./SKG 10 (which became III./KG 51 and then NSG 20), Stab and 1./NSG 9, III./KG 200, Sonderverband Einhorn, III./SG 151 (+ intention to use 14./SG 151 but I don’t know if this happened before the surrender).

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Hello guys,

Though I do not exclude the chance that actually Fw190's were active that night, I would advice lots of precaution. As early as 1942 the Interception & Tactics Reports of RAF Bomber Command contain encounters of British bombers and one-engined German fighters, long before German fighters were involved in Wilde Sau nightfighting.

Best regards, Marcel

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Thank you for the further replies. Apologies for asking more questions, but this is well outside my knowledge. :)

Does the fact that there seemed to be two single-engined fighters and a red flare being fired tie in with German 'Wilde Sau' tactics?

The ORB mentions the Bf-109 that fired on them a few minutes earlier - could Bf-109s have in that area at night-time? Is this a case of mis-identification in one or indeed both cases?

As an aside, the same crew and gunner claimed a Ju-88 on the night of June 16/17 1944 on an Op to Sterkrade in Halifax MZ703 NP-K, but the ORB does not give any details for timings or location.

Regards

Simon

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

(a) I./JG 301, a Bf 109 Wilde Sau unit, was deployed to the invasion front.

(b) cases of mistaken identity were common, understandably.

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Dear all,
My WEB-page is based on a copy of an order from II/JK, Flg.Korps IX my two cents would be on a Fw190 from I/SKG 10.
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SES

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

No I./SKG 10 claims or losses that night

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Thank you once again for the replies everyone.

So, possibly a Bf-109 of I./JG 301?

Regards

Simon

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

,...and I can see no claims or losses for this unit (or any single engined unit) that night

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Thanks Chris.

To quote Alice's Adventures in Wonderland - "curiouser and curiouser..."

Regards

Simon

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

The I./JG 301 was moved to France from Germany during the next day (13.06.44).

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Simon,

There were several NJG 3 and NJG 4 claims between Rouen and Amiens that night...and at least one KG 51 claim over England! Maybe a mis-identification from the gunners? Does Theo Boithen do have more details about the night activies? He may have more data for you.

Adriano

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Dear all,

Heavy bomber claims during the French raids on 12-13.6.44 amounted to 15 night fighters destroyed and five damaged. Set against these numbers, I have only found two Nachtjagd loss records for the night, both for twin-engined Nachtjäger. There were no single-engined fighter losses. Will give full details plus a very detailed analysis of the night's raids, battles and claims on both sides in one of the upcoming volumes in the Nachtjagd Combat Archive series.

Cheers, Theo

Re: FW.190 night fighter loss, June 12/13 1944, Rouen
 

Many thanks once again for the replies. Very informative and interesting!

I think the title of my post should have read "Possible Luftwaffe night-fighter loss June 12/13 1944, possibly near Rouen." :)

Regards

Simon