Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Last year I mailed Barry Rosch of Luftwaffe Verband some information on Hungarian Me110’s. It never got into the magazine because it ceased to exist.
I’m posting it here for those who want to know.

Dennis


In LV 15, page 18,LV 16, page 8 and LV 17, page 12 a photograph of Hungarian Me110’s is discussed.

While I was goint through some RAF documents from the PRO I found the following:

On July 21th, 1945, the British armed forces moved into a part of Austria that had been previously under Soviet ocupation. On the Airfield of Zeltweg a number of Me110’s were found, the C and D types previously belonged to Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
Me110C-4 TD+GZ 3624
Me110C-4 CF+NF 3063
Me110C-7 BB+UN 3512
Me110D-3 CC+MO
Me110E-2 KB+XX 4397
Me110E-2/U4 SB+IN 3781
Me110G-2 2N+IN 120032

The D-3 was found on the airbase itself, the C models were found in a wood 2 miles from the base.

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Hi Dennis

Can you or someone else expand a little on this unit in question and where Hungary enters the picture

Thanks and B Rgds
Stig

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Dennis,

Were there any Hungarian-marked warplanes found on Zeltweg a/f?

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Stig,

In Hungary, there was a significant Me 210 production, and a lot of pilots/full units were re-trained to the Me 210. The first grade for this re-training was the mentioned Bf 110 school, which stationed at Budapest-Ferihegy. Ihave some nice, unpublished pictures and interesting remembrances as well about this unit.

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Hi Dennis,

My Grandfather also did the ABK-Z from November 1943 to 02 Februar 1944 in Budapest-Ferihegy airport.
Probably on the Bf110 list one of he flew. He told me the German Bf110 plane had a gray colour.
In the WWII for the Hungarian fighter, zerstörer pilots didn't write any nummer or stammkennzeichen on they loogbook.
If you are corrius about his training flying I can send for you copys from his loogbook (fliegerbuch).

Sincerely, Balazs

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Guys,
I'm at work at the moment. When I'm home I will try to answer your questions.
Dénés,
From the top of my head there was a HE111 IN hungarian markings (a verry old type)

Dennis

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

OK Thanks
But what I want to know is if this is to be classified as a Hungarian Unit or a German one!
If Hungarian, why did they use German markings?
If German, is there any other name for it? Ausbildungskommando Z doesn't sound very ingenius.... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

The Hungarian references for Zeltweg are:

Nr. 76-93
MAVAG. HOMERO V6 + (White)
Nr.94-101
Low wing, S/E, S/S
Unarmed with accommodation for 2 x Mk 131 between top cylinders.
18 of these a/c found in wood South of airfield. 8 on airfield. 14 cylinder air-cooled engine. All had Hungarian V6 or V5 markings.

Nr.102-112
AR-96 BZ, Argus 411, VE+YF, W.nr.650156
Hungarian trainers. 11 found on airfield.

Nr.113-121
AR-66, Argus AS.10,
Hungarian trainers, 9 found on airfield.

Nr.122-124
Gotha 145, AS 10 G,
Hungarian trainers. 3 found on dump on the airfield

The Hungarian references for Woschach/aigen are:

Fw.58, Hungarian markings, made by Magyar Waggon Gyor

Fw.58, Hungarian markings, made by Focke-Wulf

He 111, Hungarian, A3+AF, very old model

That’s all on Hungarian aircraft.

Balazs; I would like to see a Hungarian flugbook, it would be interesting to see!

Hope this helps,

Dennis

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Stig,

It was called only as Ausblidungskommando Zerstörer (Ungarn) and was led by Oberleutnant Weirich.

Balázs,

few Hungarian pilot had German Flugbücher as well (these are amazing sources with codes, targets, etc).

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Thanks Csaba

Stig

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Thanks, Dennis, for the interesting info. All these aircraft were MÁVAG Re.2000 Héja fighters.

"HOMERO" actually means thermometer :)

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

You're welcome,,
So the RAF reported the capture of some flying thermometers? :D

Would you have avy idea what "Low wing, S/E, S/S"means?

Dennis

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

S/E single-engined, S/S single-seater

low wing is low wing;)

BTW yes, these were Hungarian license built Re 2000 fighter trainers.

Re: Hungarian Me110's of Ausb.Kdo.ABK-Z
 

Flying to Zeltweg:

lietnaunt Gábor Horváth flew by Mávag Héja from Kenyeri (Hungary) to Zeltweg 14. 03. 1945.

lietnaunt Zoltán Czapáry flew by Mávag Héja from Nagycenk (Hungary) to Bad Vöslau - Zeltweg 28. 03. 1945.

lietnaunt László Újházy flew by Arado 96B from Kenyeri to Nagycenk (Hungary) 25. 03. 1945. Next day he flew to Zeltweg 26. 03. 1945.

lietnauntTibor Szabó flew by Bf110 from Vágfarkasd (Slovakia) to Zeltweg December 1945.

This names and dates from one hungarian book, Hungarian flying academy Reunion 1994.
Many pilots flew to Austria, but they dates and they aircraft unkown, or not punctually.
Sincerely, Balazs