Fw190 Spinner
 

H all .Its my first post .I apologise for possible mistakes
I have a question about spinners. i have this one. its fw190 , but

i would like to know what exacly version it is. its a "standad version " for everyone fw190 or e.g. late war for dora fw?
regards
peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Peter,
You need to search your spinner for it's data plate(s). These will probably be as small as 1cm x 2cm, alloy riveted on. It would be usual for there to be one on the baseplate and one on the dome, but near the join with the base. You have to look very carefully as they can be hidden. The info on them would help alot! Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Thenx very much for answer SM . i must check but i have not seen it. inside is description in red paint . i must clean it but it is nothink about version i suppose. Regards and cheers.
Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

This is what we would expect to see in a FW 190A/G/F spinner.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=627

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=628

The FW 190A/G/F spinner attaches to a solid, robust base plate.

Look at your spinner. Notice the metal band under the prop blade cutouts that the FW 190A/G/F spinner does not have? What is that?

Please submit additional photos.

Bronc

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Bronc,
That "metal band" is the spinner backplate. It is the strong plate that mounts to the rear of the prophub and carries the latching mechanism for the spinner itself. Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

HI

Exacty i have few the same fw190 spinnners but in worst condition.i will loook closly. all they havent 6 inside reinforcement like a photo of Broncazonk,rest is the same .i think its can be later version (maybe D? maybe 152? or cammon ver. but other maker ), on the two inside is german description (not cleary now).i will

clean and i send beter photos.all they have spinner backplate.
greetings
Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

BRONC,

Firstly congratulations for the piece itself. It is beautiful.

For some of us who were or still are modelists, what "made my day" was the visual information of so many rivets on the outside (and that they could be silver instead of painted, due to wearing, etc.); and the most amazing INTERNAL picture which shows us (at least this was unknown to me...maybe very very poor knowledge or technical books about this topic)...that internally it seems there were two hubs...a small one where the protuberance of the cannon seems to stand, and the second or first piece much larger...In my thoughts, it was just one conical shape and piece, not two like you showed on the picture.

Thank you for enlighting me with this knowledge and for sharing those photographs and most beautiful item.

Thanks to you I learned another thing today about LW and Aviation (WW2).

Very grateful,
Adriano

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

The spinners on the Fw 190A/F/G, Fw 190D and Ta 152H were of different sizes: in height, diameter and ogive.

Once again, knowing the dimensions of the item would help...

Bronc

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi.
Tomorrow I will measure it.
namplates unfortunately they did not survive,only small piece.
insied is Red inscription and somethink like next name plate.
regards

peter

Hello
I send the dimensions of the propeller spinner.

total length 65cm ,base lenght 8cm, first segment lenght 28cm,second segment 29cm lenght ,diameter 51cm.

On the back side is number 9-1208732-0914.
Regards Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Peter,
From original VDM manual, the 9-12087.32 Haube is not listed. The closest numbered Haube is the 9-12087.34 for the Bf109G. However, It would seem much more likely that your number might be 9-12067.32? This number is correct for many variants of the Ju88, Ju188, and Do217 that had BMW801 engines. The Haube for the Fw190 A-B with BMW801C/D was the 9-12067.30.
From other sources, the Fw190D-9 is listed with the 9-21041.30 Haube. The Fw190D11/12/13 with 9-21036.34 Haube.
I dont have a reference at the moment for the Ta152 Haube. Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Schwarze-Man!
Thenx very much for reply. I bow my head to your knowledge.
Back to the topic. This spinners are from focke-wulf fighters
because were found in place when only made fw fighters,and was found with other fw190 parts. in this place was made version A and
probably other . about ta152 i know nothink. About numbers - on spinners they are places after plates. on a spinner and on a basis . close together. the number 9-12087.32-09-14 is
at the bottom of the base and could be different like on the spinnner .
Best regards Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Peter,
Yes, I agree, that number is definitely 9-12087.32-09.14 from what we can see.
This probably means that the particular component that is stamped with that number is a component that was designed originally for the 12087 Haube. However, it probably is being used in a different Haube as a component.
Unfortunately, I do not have all the drawings of all the Haube! It would be normal for the Haube to have two alloy makers id plates showing the Gerat Nr and the Werk Nr. These can be difficult to find but, would help. Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Most beautiful piece/spinner....congratulations!!

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Peter,
Now I can see! In your 3rd photograph that you just posted, the id plates are just to the right of the red square around the locking apparture. You can see their rectangular shape with a rivet at each end. Unfortunately, they look to be in poor condition. You might be able to get some numbers with a magnifying glass and possibly, putting oil on the surface? Good luck!

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi all. Thenx



Schwarze-man ,unfortunately this is just a shadow of plate. i can do unluckily nothink with it :(



I am sending additional details fw spinners. Next item have inside
inscriptions and drawings -its probably markings of the aluminum sheet manufacturer.
Inside circle have- like other fw190 spinners which I saw -starry ribbing

interesting fact is -inside circle is made by bakelit.I dont know for what.
Best regards Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Peter,

The 3355.1 is the metal specification and, the symbol is the metal makers trademark. The slight "starry" ribbing of the diaphram is to add stiffness to it. The "bakelit" ring is a support ring that fits tightly onto the front of the propellor hub (Nabe) to hold the Haube steady and prevent it distorting in flight. That ring is described as gummi in the manual. It would be a hard rubber. Many other support rings like that are made in Tufnol, which is a reinforced resin. Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

The measurements provided by miraul correspond to Fw 190 A/F/G spinners.

The prints specify 510 mm as a diameter, and 570 mm as a total vertical (without base plate and band.)

I cannot find the CD that has the ogive drawing and equation. I'm still looking for that set of CDs and will provide the drawings when I find them.

Interestingly enough, the ogive does not appear to be consistent as the series progressed. Ask schwarze-man, but I believe they were constantly fiddling with the airflow into the fan. And also, each prop version had its own spinner. This topic is actually quite complex.

Thank you, miraul, for a fascinating post.

Bronc

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hello SM,
All of this is absolutely correct.
Just a point: When you write "are made in Tufnol", are you saying "are" or "were"? In this instance other rings on Luftwaffe airplanes?
If so, another British product used by Germany during the WWII ? :)
Since it was and is British patented I'm quite surprised.
...
As for me I used Téflon(r) in Naval constructions and, later (more recently), German made cold mills for the same (generaly speaking) use.
...

For the curious, a very interested internet page:
http://ahistoryoftufnol.org/whatistufnol/index.html


Regards,
Franck.

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi SM
Now all make sence . Thanks for clarifying these issues
Greetings
Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Franck!

Unfortunately, I am not able to be more specific about the material for the Haube ring described as "Gummi" in the VDM manual and as Bakelit by Peter. I would really expect the VDM description of "Gummi" to mean a rubber or Rubberised material. I think that this might have hardened to seem like a hard material now? I do have a sample that I might examine more closely. The Tufnol material is a UK sourced product but, I have Bf109 parts made in very similar fibre reinforced resin parts that are similar. Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi all.
Few maybe interesting things in spinners theme.
first -inside ring is made,i think, from bakelite /on photos you can see
the umbrella.near is a number 118

sd-on the inside ring i was found number 9-12087.(..)-49.13 or 8
Best regards
Peter

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi Peter,
Interesting. I think that we have already said that the individual components of the Haube can come from different original designs and with their earlier numbers, like the 12087 mounting plate that you showed. In the third picture here, I am seeing 9-12083 etc on both the mounting ring and the diaphram (bulkhead). The number on the diaphram is most interesting to me because that component is very specific to the shape and size of the Dome and so, the particular Haube. 9-12083.32 o .31 Haube is listed as the Haube for the Do217M/N . However, that Haube has a very different shape and is a 4-blade! Can you confirm which Haube has these numbers with pictures please?

Cheers

SM

Re: Fw190 Spinner
 

Hi SM.
Yes exactly is 9-12083. ()1-49.13.my mistake

on the backplate is 9-12087.

As I said,i have few the same spinners( exactly the same). two of theme heve only upper side, this rings and backplate (rest corrosion destroyed) 4 in better condition. all of theme are from fw190. the place of found was werkstatt when made and repair only fw190. i was found with theme parts with numbers 9-801 (bmw) and 8-190 focke-wulf.and other
admittedly parts- like glasses or part of chassis fw.
probably they are only number of parts - not whole spinners
vdm number 9-12087 like in backlplate fw (6 first number ) are in bf190 propeller. 9-12083 like in this circle -on dornier . so they are only numbers of small parts of spinners. main numbers of this spinners were in nameplates but they did not survive. 9-12067 its can be probably numbers from this plates.
best regards
Peter