Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Good night to all members.

Does anyone do have information (maybe from the Do 217 and 317 book by Griehl) about the Dornier Do 217 M of werknummer 3867?

Viele Danke

Adriano

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Doesn't appear on any of my loss lists

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

I'm no expert on Do 217 but I don't even have a W.Nr. range covering that W.Nr.... Are you sure it is accurate?

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Echo Mikael here Adriano

Griehl has a rather "spooky" M-1 WNr range listed as 322701 - 326300, which, if correct, must include a huge amount of "black out" numbers.

Since you probably did not dream up the number, care to share a bit more of what you got??

Cheers
Stig

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Since this is not my field of knowledge, I may have indeed committed a big mistake. The number 67 may be a tactical number, not part of the werknummer.

Since the machine does have a 4-bladed propeller, I "thought" it could be a Dornier 217 M, but again, may have committed a mistake.

See at the attached PDF document.

Have no clues to the whereabouts of the place or the crew.

A.

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Last two digits of the Wk Nr normally-whole photo might help more

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Since I had seen a previous thread here where a werknummer for a Do 217 M was informed as 3865 (flown over Finland), I thought that maybe 3867 would be the match for this particular machine.

Apparently the 1,000 flight Cerimony for the Staffel or Gruppe...do not know where though.

A.

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There's at least ca 8 different Do 217 Ms which would have ended on "67"

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Mikael,

Do you have info on those 8, or some of those? Maybe we can narrow down later...I have absolutely no books on the 217 or no clues about the possible location.

A.

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Nope, sorry, just some W.Nr. ranges

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Adriano

To continue with what Griehl states, he lists the M production to appx 485 aircraft including the prototype.
At the same time he gives WNr blocks as follows:
2801 - 2901
6001 - 6400
56001- 56200
322701-326300
722701-722800

It is easy to see they are either wrong or there must be huge black out gaps in there, somewhere.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

The 6001 to 6400 (not certain that these went that high?) but as far as I understand should be listed as 56.001 to 56.200. So could No 67 be 56.067?

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I see Tom

What you are saying is that Griehl duplicated one batch by not giving them their correct WNr?

Interesting!

In such a case, the two batches 322xxx and 722xxx ranges also look a bit suspect, with only an initial 3 or 7 keeping them apart.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

That's my table of the Do 217M production, put together from losses, test flights and photos:

M V1 1230
M-0 1241 -1245

M-1 40701 -40795
M-1 47100 -47106
M-1 56001 -56196

M-1 326200 -326360
M-1 326396 -326475

M-1 722727 -722754
M-1 722842 -722899
M-1 722926 -722990
M-1 723015 -723037
M-11 723038 -723180

Two similar decorated ones as that plane from the photo were WNr.56057 lost by 9./KG 2 on 12.07.43 and WNr. 56054 lost by 8./KG 2 on 16.08.43. The "67" was to my opinion WNr. 56067 operated by 9./KG 2 (due to the small yellow spinner tip) during spring and summer 1943. On 28.08.43 it was taken over by 12./KG 2 and became lost by that unit as U5+DW on 16.04.44.

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Wow Gerhard

Hats off to that list!! It sure updates what Griehl wrote many years ago.
Looks like I was correct being suspicious about the 322xxx range.
Also well done, Tom, you also got it right.

Thanks again Gerhard!! :)

Cheers
Stig

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Hi Gerhard,
Thank you for the informative listing.
Am I correct that about forty of the M-1s within the 40701 to 40795 range were converted to Do 217 K-3s?
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Gents,

This photo looked familiar to me and going through my files I found four other photos of this Do 217 M-1 machine and event. The aircraft’s V.-kenn. – U5+ge.DW – and last two digits of the Werknummer – ‘67’ – are clearly visible, thus matching Gerhard’s identification of it being WNr.56067 of 12./KG 2.

I do not have my copy of U. Balke's book at hand to determine the date of the 1000 flights ceremony. I tried reducing the size of the images to a size acceptable for inclusion here, but in doing so their resolution was compromised. If anyone want's copies - (they being from a long-expired Ebay sale), please let me know.

Gerhard, thanks for sharing your research!

Cheers,

David

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Steve,

the Do 217K-3 were new build aircraft with numbers 4701 to 4752.

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Dear Gerhard, Steve, David, Stig and all

Firstly sorry for the long delay. Weekends are pretty busy with a kid of 3 and I rarely do have time to sit and write alone.

Your matching of the werknummer is amazing. Do have no words to express my gratitude. This is a topic (Dornier Do 217) and subject I have no references at home (apart a book about KG 100).

Gerhard, would you have the crew names of U5+DW lost on 16th April 1944? I will try to match the RAF possible claim.

DAVID: I would like to have a look at the pictures you mentioned about either the 1,000 Flight or the U5+DW mentioned. Would you be able to share them here: baumgartner_asv@yahoo.com.br

AGAIN I am in debt with you all who enlighted me with a knowledge and DATA I was not familiar or unable to obtain. My gratitude.

Adriano S. Baumgartner, ASV 00.344

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It would appear U5+DW crashed 33 km NE of Melun due to an accident on a training flight; Fw Friedrich Koch, Fw Alois Hochstadter, Uffz Helmut Paul & Gefr Heinz Schlunke all killed

Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
 

Thanks Chris, that was really a fast and precise answer. Thank you very much for the crew information. Most welcomed.

Adriano