Flugplatz name
 

Dear All,

Could someone please decipher the name of the airfield? I suspect that this is an airstrip located on the German-Polish border used briefly by a 4. Luftflotte fighter unit in preparation for the Polenfeldzug.

Regards,
Sinisa

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All I see is hss.


Ed

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It's quite clear.

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was an airfield located halfway between Howestuupid and Kanthatbe.

@Bronc

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Hello,

Given the geographical location/time period, a possibility:

Luftflotte 4 - Flugplatz Neuruppin - Stab/KGzbv 2 - 01/09/1939.

Col.

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Very funny. I reported the post, and I expect that it will be removed at the earliest.

Who are you, btw? Do I know you? Why such idiotic post?

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I may be wrong but I saw the post as a comment on the vendor who thought it was worth copy-protecting two words in pencil, not on anything you did.

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Hi Gents,

I totally agree with Sinisa.
Bronzaconk is not correct and does what he uses to do in this forum; almost insulting people (archeology topics mainly).
So yes, I think Sinisa did good reporting this post since it's time to stop that behavior.
...
As for who don't know where to read I did put the same picture underlining the name Sinisa is looking for. Hope it helps.

Regards,
Franck.

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Unit being

Stab II./JG77, 1939 ...
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...YAAOSwnaJdGQ8W


Enjoy it.
Regards,
Franck.

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Nick,

Thank you for your prompt response to my report. Not very auspicious start of the day for me.

Firstly, a copy of the photo that started this thread was taken from an ongoing eBay auction. The link was given by Franck, but I will repeat it here for completeness... https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...YAAOSwnaJdGQ8W If it is felt that I have violated the TOCH's policies, I agree that my post be deleted.

Secondly, am I supposed to tolerate insults on this forum? I quote: "... was an airfield located halfway between Howestuupid and Kanthatbe." I thought that these kind of posts were unacceptable on this forum? But then, I may have got it all wrong.

I reiterate that I do not know who this Broncazonk character is, what his motivations or purposes may be, but I do want his post removed.

Regards,
Sinisa

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Why does so much here have to be turned into a fight? I'm heartily sick of it. Even when people are being needlessly provocative, sometimes it's just best to ignore it: it's usually trivial, it passes and is forgotten. Also, none of it answers the original question.

The vendor put those copy-protection marks on the reverse of the photo and, while it's no doubt their standard procedure, it does look likeoverkill in this case.

So, trying to do something constructive instead, here's those two words after a bit of Photoshop adjustment, just in case that helps.

Also, it might be worth looking through the extensive TSAMO website material on the Polish campaign for clues to places that Stab II./JG 77 was based.

Everyone involved, back on topic please.

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This is exactly the point of my post. II./JG 77 did not participate in the Polenfeldzug.

The Gruppe moved to an unknown forward airstrip close to the German-Polish border in preparation for the Polish campaign before it was recalled to north-western Germany to protect the German Bight on 20 August 1939.

I believe that the writing on the reverse of this photo could reveal the clue what that forward airstrip may have been.

Regards,
Sinisa

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I read Neumünster

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Possible. Thank you.

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Bit better readable


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In fact, you are looking for when did II./JG77 start to use its first emblem, aren't you ?
Then, if not Neumünster, and providing the name is this unknown forward airstrip this should be dated before end of August ... But looking at Warts' clothes ...

Good luck !
Regards,
Franck.

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Last we still have this photo coming from an old auction.
Unless it has been taken during the winter 1939-1940, which I doubt !
Hence the "Emblem adopted just before the war began" is wrong, indeed.
Most probably Winter 1938-1939, a Bf 109 B. (look at plug socket position)
;)
Regards,
Franck.

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Thank you, Franck. Now, your assessment is partially correct - I was indeed looking for the pre-war photographic evidence of the early II./JG 77 emblem,... albeit sported on the Emils.

Now, I am well aware of the said emblem being sported on the Gruppe's Bf 109 B aircraft (after all I was successful bidder for both photos from your post 16). Then the Gruppe converted onto the Bf 109 E aircraft in April/May 1939, and I could not find evidence of the emblem being sported on the Emils before the outbreak of hostilities. We are talking some 4-to-5 month gap in this respect.

I was hoping that this photo would assist my research, but your reading (i.e., Neumünster) would appear correct, so I am back to square one here.

Regards,
Sinisa

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FWIW:

20.8 39: II./JG 77 transferred to Nordholz
4.9.39: first engagement - claimed 2 RAF Wellingtons in the Wilhelmshaven area.
21.9.39: II./JG 77 transferred to Neumünster,

Prien, Jochen. Einsatz des Jagdgeschwaders 77 von 1939 bis 1945: Ein Kriegstagebuch nach Dokumenten, Berichten und Erinnerungen. 4 Teile (volumes). Eutin: Struve-Druck, 1992-93. Teil 1 (1934 bis Mai 1941, ISBN: 3-923457-19-7). Teil 2 (Juni 1941 bis November 1942, ISBN: 3-923457-22-7). Teil 3 (1942-1943). Teil 4 (1944-1945, ISBN: 3-923457-29-4). Hb (oversize). Dj. 2,507p. Heavily illus. Maps. Dwgs. Tables. Numerous appendices incl. loss and victory lists. Name index.

L.

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I post the following only in the interest of teasing out the correct individual characters.

Musiouspter

Ed

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Now I understand all your quest !

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Dear All,

Thank you for your replies, these were much appreciated, with one notable exception, which most certainly was not.

I feel that the writing overleaf was correctly deciphered by Franck as "Flugplatz Neumünster", which along with Larry de Zeng's post No.18 above gives the date as 21 September 1939, or later. Not necessarily what I was hoping for, but the photo can now be correctly classified, which I consider to be a positive outcome for the thread.

Regards,
Sinisa

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Hello All,

Sorry about that reference to Neuruppin in my earlier post.

You will find an excellent shot (p.99, Abb. 4-3 und 4-4) of a Stab II/JG 77 Bf 109 E-3 (<I+-), in the following publication:

Einsatz des Jagdgeschwaders 77 von 1939 bis 1945 - Ein Kriegstagebuch nach Dokumenten, Berichten und Erinnerungen - Teil 1 - 1934 bis Mai 1941.
Prien,Jochen
Eutin:Struve-druck,1992.
pp.99.

See also:

p.94.

Auf deutscher Seite lag zur Verteidigung der Deutschen Bucht bei Kriegsbeginn nur die II.JG 77 bereit; deren Stellenbesetzung in den Fuehrungsstellen lautete am 31. August 1939 wie folgt:

Gruppenkommandeur - Obstlt. Carl Schumacher
Gruppe-Adjutant - Major Harry von Buelow
Kapitaen 4./JG 77 - Oblt. Helmut Henz
Kapitaen 5./JG 77 - Hptm. Franz-Heinz Lange

and ...

p.104.

Sonntag, 1 Oktober 1939.

Stab/JG 77 - An Diesem tage erfolgte in Nuemuenster die Aufstellung des Geschwaderstabes JG 77; des erste eintrag im Kriegstagebuch des Stabes/JG 77 lautete (see book for reproduction of War Diary entry).
Aufgabe des neuen Geschwadrstabes sollte die Fuehrung der im Norden des Reiches versammelten Jagdgruppen bei der Verteidigung des Luftraumes ueber der Deutschen Bucht sein. Dazu wurden dem Stab folgende Einheiten unterstellt:

II./JG 77 - Nuemuenster
JGr. 101 - Neumuenster
I./(J) LG 2 Uetersen.

Col.

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Hi

Flugplatz Neumünster (my opinion)