Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

Hello,

Can anyone provide me with details about the crew and mission ?.
I,ve got a report from Feldluftpark 5/111 Holland date 8-1--43 wich described von feindflug gegen England nicht zuruck. date 3-1-43
Werknr 4314 Kennzeichen U5 +KT 38 starts and KG2 .But no further info.

Thank,s in advance

Harrie

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

Target Hull, hit by Flak, crash-landed and burnt out by crew at Out Newton, Yorkshire 2120 hrs. Uffz Anton Ries, Ogefr Horst Küster, Uffz Arno Salz & Uffz Alfred Muschiol all POW

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for fast reply and information much appreciated !
This crew was very Lucky for made an crash-landing in unknown enemy terrain ,and surviving all .

Harrie

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

hello harrie,
someone has a typo ...

"Reis" not "Ries"!?

source: http://www.aircrewremembered.com/Kra.../?q=Reis+Anton


regards
ghost

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

According to Balke and LCA Vol 10 Ries

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

chris,
according to https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=202513

b.r.
ghostwriter

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

His name was Anton Ries as written by Balke. The same writing is recorded for a crash on 19.08.42 with 5./KG 2.

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Gen.Qu. loss return 5 Jan 1943 item 131:
F Uffz Ries, Anton.

Regards
Leo

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

i am inclined to believe you all ...
but then why are all these sources wrong!?

source: http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/...rk43/u5kt.html

regards
ghost

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

A pretty good reason Ghost is that you are quoting second hand sources while our friends Gerhard and Leo are quoting or know first hand sources.

You even quote a third hand source here, the aviation safety net, which can't even quote a second hand source correct, namely Ulf Balke.

Also Ulf Balke has always struck me as a very serious researcher, so quoting him directly is also pretty safe to do.

When using second or third hand sources the risk for faults increase and without knowing from where your quoted sources has taken their details I am inclined to believe far more in Chris, Gerhard and Leo.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

yes,
the one with the second and third sources I already thought ...
but thank you for the confirmation!

regards
ghost

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

You are talking about a very respected member of the forum who submitted this to aviation-safety.net, namely Laurent Rizotti. It's a shame the source description said 'Blake', but everyone can make a typo and finally, it's not about the website but about the people that submit information.


Kind regards,


Timon

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

????

The fact remains, regardless who provided the info.
As per various answers, aviation-safety.net etc are wrong. My point has nothing to do with the spelling of Balke as Blake but with Reis or Ries.

B Rgds
Stig

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

Please stop the fighting and get back to discussing the topic.

Re: Do 217-E-4 werknr 4314
 

Thanks Nick,

I thought it was needed to set something straight. I think the aviation-safety.net is a great source. Books and so on can get outdated but a live website not.

Kind regards,

Timon