Two Caudrons to Identify
 

Hello,

Currently for sale on ebay at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...UAAOSwug5dUbsI

is a photo containing a DH.84? and two Caudrons. I believe the Caudrons may be C.690M and C.870 P2, but I am uncertain. Can anyone please assist with the identity of these aircraft?

TIA,

Clint

Re: Two Caudrons to Identify
 

This seller is a bit naughty. Seen a few of his offerings before. So beware.

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Hi Snautzer,

I wasn't thinking of bidding. I'm just curious about the ID of the machines.

Regards,

Clint

Re: Two Caudrons to Identify
 

Hi Clint - The two Caudrons are indeed a C.690 and the rare C.870. The De Havilland is a DH 89A

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the confirmation. I was a bit unsure about the id of the DH as well so good to have the correct id for that machine too.

Regards,

Clint

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Hello,

Two possibilities for the anonymous D.H. 89A Dragon Rapide:

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/28346

and ...

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/205381

See also: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=22844

Col.

Re: Two Caudrons to Identify
 

Good points Col

Indeed it is possible to see a tiny hint of a G (its registration) in the photo, so I am with you with regard to it being an impressed aircraft.

Also admit I was too lazy to start and try to track it down....:o

Cheers
Stig

PS: Checking my French sources for the C.870 they say both were evacuated to Orleans-Bricy on 9 June 1940 and where No 01 was captured by the Germans. No 02 was moved to Biarritz where it was found in 1941. So far only No 01 seems to have been confirmed in use by Luftwaffe

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Hello

C.870 No 02 was also captured by germans on june 1940 at Orléans-Bricy. There's pictures of it amongst others aircrafts captured at Orléans-Bricy.

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Interesting Stéphane

How certain is that ID? I have never seen a photo myself where either No 01 or 02 are visible. Two different French books state 02 was relocated to Biarritz and found there in 1941.

Do you have a photo where the digits are visible and where we can see it is a German photo??

Cheers
Stig

Re: Two Caudrons to Identify
 

Sadly I have no photo where the digits are visible, but No 01 has a retractable landing gear, No 2 a fixed landing gear.

I have found this pictures a long time ago on a forum now closed.

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Thanks Stéphane

At least it shows No 02 as captured.
I cannot pinpoint the background so cannot say if we are at Biarritz or Orléans-Bricy.

Cheers
Stig

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You're welcome, Stig

Actually, Potez 540 n° 40 matricule X-114 has been abandonned at Orléans-Bricy.

I have another picture, found on ebay. From right to left, parked between hangar No 1 & No 2 at Orléans-Bricy :

- Potez 540 No 40, abandonned at Orléans-Bricy
- Caudron 870 No 02
- Caudron 760, abandonned at Orléans-bricy
- Leo 451 No 21, abandonned at Orléans-Bricy
- Possibly Caudron 710 nc 7871, abandonned at Orléans-Bricy
- Bloch 210 No 186 abandonned at Orléans-Bricy
- C.690M

Re: Two Caudrons to Identify
 

From this forum...

DH.89 X8506 24 Sqn ex G-AFEO. Abandoned at Bricy, May or June 1940.

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Thanks again Stéphane

Looks very convincing. Perhaps the French books mean the aircraft was flown to Biarritz by the Germans?

Kaiyan

Good point. The impressment serial X8506 was most likely never carried by the aircraft and would fit what we can see, a registration beginning with G-A.

Amazing how much information that can be put together once a little pressure is put on various individuals. :)

Thanks again Guys
Cheers
Stig

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To round the DH.89 out here's a pic from some of my old files...

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Kaiyan,

Thanks for sharing that great photo of G-AFEO. It very nicely clarifies the markings and condition of the aircraft.

Can anyone state the exact date Orleans-Bricy was occupied by the Germans ?

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.

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Nice :)

Cheers
Stig

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Orléans-Bricy has been occupied by the germans on 17 june.

I think the second half of june 1940 was a very disrupted and confused time, especially about the fate of many french aircrafts abandonned or evacuated from french airfields.

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Stephane,

Thank you for the precise date and other information on the Caudrons.

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.