Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Was there any G-14 AS models within this block? 464400 - 464500.
Was there any G-14 planes within this block? 412xxx and 413xxx.

Eduardo.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

No G-14/AS in that block found so far. As for the G-6 blocks, yes quite a few.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Exploring more carefully the 412xxx block I would ask if this block was
dedicated only for G-6 or it may have some G-14 among them?
If so,please between which range?

Eduardo.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

What records I have indicate that the 4127xx - 412899 range had some G-14 and G-14/AS. Far more of each type are in the 413xxx range.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Thanks John.

Eduardo.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

413601 was the first G-14 shot down and captured by the Allies in Normandy, at 09:30 on 22 July 1944, by light AA fire near Fontenay-le-Possnel. I placed the article on the a/c description in The 109 Lair (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm).

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

The designation "G - 14" was found on the ID plate (registered in the report) or it's your educated guess from technical description?

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

As far as I remeber, this raport describes MW instalation, oxygen Kugelflaschen moved to wing, different spark plugs and boost gauge marked with 1,70 ata.
What is really fascinating - the inner undercarriage doors surfaces are described as red primer painted.
Wasn't it just a sign for a ground crew that this one needs C-3 fuel?

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Dear Rasmussen,
In general, both the GB and USA intelligence teams only identified LW aircraft subtypes using using id plate data (and generally removed the plate and placed them in an envelope attached it to the original copy of the report). If you look at the reports there are many where if there was not a plate, the subtype simply is not specified, but the engine, armarment data, etc. are described. The reason for this appears pretty straightforward, as the Allies were certainly unable to follow production line changes and parallel production of multiple subtypes. It is difficult to do even with primary LW documentation. This is another reason why it is almost certain that G-6 production at Erla continued into 1945. Looking at both the LW loss and Allied intelligence lists, G-6 aircraft are found within blocks of W.Nr. that are primarily G-14s from Erla. It seems certain that G-14 production did not begin at Erla until August, so it would appear that G-6 production did continue in parallel with G-14 and were both "badged" and recognized in production reports as such.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Dear Artie Bob,

that's ok but I was interested on this specific a/c ;) .

Here I'm interested on examples (especially allied reports) because I don't know such cases.

I disagree because
1. the first "G - 14" were delivered in July 1944 (under the designation "G - 6 MW50")
2. the Erla production reports (official and internal) doesn't mentioned such an G - 6 production after August 1944 (it's surprising when RLM clerks knew more about Erla production than Erla clerks).

Best wishes
Rasmussen

P.S.: Excuse me my terrible English.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Yes, together with the maker's name of mcu (Erla - Leipzig), and VW+HO. Also a DB 605AM engine (painted on crankcase cover), C3 fuel, and MW-50 tank. Interestingly, the main fuel tank was of light alloy with no self-sealing rubber coating.

As I mentioned above, the complete report is under "articles" in the "109 Lair."

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

This means the G - 14 production began before August 1944 ...

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

a couple of hundreds of conversion kits (350 IIRC) were issued early 1944 (march IIRC) so as to modify the /U2 109s. Those were using the heavy insulated GM-1 tank and the kits included conversion of the later to MW-50 use. At the same time the /U2 already in production were modified to a G-14 status even if the designation did not exists at the time. Indeed some G-6/U2 were produced with the light alluminium tank which could only be used with MW-50.
So yes the MW-50 introduction pre-date the introduction of the G-14 designation.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

In case you're interested, there are 2 photos of G-14 413 601 in Jochen Prien's superb "JG 1 und 11. Part 2: 1944" on page 1081. He labels the a/c as a G-6, but from the condition of the a/c there is no doubt that the maker's plate was recovered, which showed it was a G-14. The story about Uffz. Jakob Vogel's loss is a strange one.

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Hello George,

I haven't my Copy of the JG 1/ JG 11 - chronicle by my hands but: is there the battery box visible?

He labeled this a/c as G - 6 because it was registered in German loss report as G - 6 IIRC.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?
 

Yes, just barely; but it is visible. And, its location is commented on in the British report. Poor positioning, lousy access.