Collings B-17 Crash
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...rport-n1061161

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/wor...cut/index.html

https://twitter.com/search?q=b-17+cr...Ctwgr%5Esearch

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Damn shame. It looks totaled.

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Sad news indeed. Hoping for full recoveries for all those injured and peace to those who've flown for the last time...

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Some rumours have it trying to land of 3 engines which according to test reports and pilot's manual should pose no problems (a B-17 will fly easily on 2 engines out). On the other hand, one rumour suggests that only 1 engine was operational at the time of the crash.

Sad end of 42-31909 Nine-O-Nine
 

https://www.wnpr.org/post/seven-kill...radley-airport

Seven killed. A disaster!

And the loss of a legendary B-17.

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A history of the "Nine O Nine"
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...e-o-nine-b-17/

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Any update on the cause of the crash? Many U. S. fora that should have such discussion are more like religious conventions with everyone offering sugary prayers etc.

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Nothing official yet. Putting together some non-official info:

The plane had just taken off when the pilot reported a problem with the number 4 engine and he requested clearance to return to the the field. They returned and tried to land on runway 6. As it touched down, the airplane “impacted the instrument landing system stanchions, veered to the right, over a grassy area, over the taxiway and impacted the de-icing facility."

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I read somewhere this morning that there's a total of 7 fatalities thus far and that the preliminary report on the crash will be released in 8-9 days.

Re: Sad end of 42-31909 Nine-O-Nine
 

This aircraft was B-17G-85-DL Serial Number 44-83575 produced at the Douglas, Long Beach facility which did not serve during WW II. Still a sad tragedy for all concerned, and an airplane with a storied past.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...e-o-nine-b-17/

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Yes when you have altitude and speed. Don't forget they faced the problem right after the take off and turned back so they were flying at a very low speed. And with 13 people aboard.

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13 people on board is very little in terms of loading. Reports suggest that it was flying with 1 engine out. With low loading like it was likely now, it should pose no problem to fly and climb on 3. To me it seems the pilot got distracted for some reason and did not note the obstacles ahead.

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A preliminary NTSB report: https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...=HTML&IType=MA

And a couple of articles about the report:

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...gs-b-17-crash/

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...7-crash-emerge


It appears that on the return to the airport they hit approach lights 1000 feet short of the runway and hit the ground 500 feet before the runway threshold.

Some interesting comments also on both the number 3 and number 4 engines propeller positions. Also flap positions.

Here is a video on Flying a B-17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-zRFEt9lI

Landing procedures start at about the 18 minute mark.

So, did they first feather the wrong engine (#3) instead of #4? Were the flaps set properly for landing?

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The FAA has gotten involved. (NTSB is apparently still investigating.)

FAA ruling (downloadable pdf file):

https://www.regulations.gov/document...001-11089-1673


A couple of stories about the decision:

https://www.flyingmag.com/story/news...s-permissions/


https://www.courant.com/news/connect...fui-story.html

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Overview of NTSB release of Public Docket items:
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...undation-crash

NTSB Public Docket: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/TOCPrintable?data=100356

Explanation of some of the findings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3dD98IqEUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HNsQuLrOqg