Another He 162 photo from Pintrest
 

Good afternoon,

This photo depicts the crash of the uncamouflaged He 162 E2+52, probably at Rechlin.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=655

best regards,

Jim

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Wow, most interesting picture. Always a pleasure finding new He 162 pictures. Looks like the BMW was still running when it flipped over? The turf looks scorched behind the aircraft? The instrument panel hanging outside the cockpit. The 20 mm cannon barrel protruding. Thanks for sharing this picture.

I’m also amazed the cowling is still intact. Most interesting picture.

Troy

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Well the caption is in English, so most probably this photo wasn't taken in Rechlin (which was captured by the Red Army), but still, quite interesting shot :)

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Erprobungskommando Lechfeld, captured in München-Riem?

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The only reference I could find to it was from Manfred Griehl, Luftwaffe Profile Series No. 16 Heinkel He 162, (2001), p.18:

"The first 18 He 162s were now to go to the Heidfeld detachment ... On 30 March, however, there was not a single He 162 in Lechfeld or Rechlin. The first two machines arrived there in mid-April 1945 and bore the codes E3+51 and E3+52..."

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Jim

Your posts are slightly confusing. I don't have Griehl's book from 2001, but I have his later one from 2007 and also Forsyth/Creek's He 162 from 2008.

In post 1 you say the code was E2+52 but in post 5 you refer to codes E3+51 and E3+52

Since both ranges existed, ie E2+ and E3+, it is, as stated, a bit confusing. Oddly enough in his 2007 book, Griehl makes no mention (in the production appendix) of any E-numbers, but F/C does, and if E2+52 is correct, your post 1, we are looking at WNr 220 010 (the M27 or A-010) VI+IT which was 60% destr 2 March 1945 at an unknown place.

However trying to actually see what is painted on the fuselage, that looks more like an E3 prefix followed by 52 and then at least I am in trouble because no E3+52 is listed anywhere as I can see.

So what is it, and if E3+52, has any WNr surfaced for that aircraft?

Cheers
Stig

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Hi Stig,

A senior moment. I apologize. To me also the photo shows "E3+52" and I have no idea of the werknummer.

To add to the confusion, since Griehl mentions Heidfeld, from Simon Schatz's site depicting his profile of "M34", he gives, referencing Verluste der deutschen Luftwaffe in Osterrich September 1943 bis Mai 1945, "... On (March 31st 1945) three Heinkel 162's made an intermediate landing there after the Heinkel factory had to be evacuated. One aircraft overshot the runway and overturned. Pieces of wreckage possibly from this aircraft were still scattered there after the war." This may or may not relate to E3+52.

E3 Rechlin was responsible for engine trials.

Jim

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Hi folks!
I have following to add: The photograph of He 162 E3+52 was taken by Tony Koszykowski at München-Riem. This photograph is just one of a set with other well known airplanes found there.
He 162 M34 W.Nr. 220022 crashed west from Munich. Parts of it were found more than 10 years ago.

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Jim

No need to apologize here, we're all friends, trying to get to the bottom of something which interests both (most) of us. Exchanging thoughts, new found photos and/or data is part of that.
Actually quite nice to share senior moments with someone, I am quite good at that all by myself....:o

Simon

Thanks for joining. Are you thus saying you believe E3+52 was WNr 220022?

Also is everyone else happy about that?

Cheers
Stig

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Stig, no E3+52 was not 220022. According to Olivier Menu E3+52 was 220102.

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Stig,

Thank you for the kind words. It is nice to know I'm not alone.

Simon,

Wow! Thank you for this information. I think 220102 would have been one of the last He 162's from "Languste"/Hinterbruhl which would explain its lack of camouflage.

Jim

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Thanks Simon

Cheers
Stig

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He 162 E2+53 had the serial 220102. So E3+52 is still unknown. Sorry.

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Thanks Simon for correcting yourself

However we now have more problems with these E prefixed numbers.
Quoting from Forsyth/Creek's book (which in no way is gospel)

E2+51 WNr 220017
E2+52 WNr 220010
E2+53 WNr 220102

E3+51 WNr 220022
E3+52 nothing
E3+53 nothing (WNr 220102 as per Simon's mail above)

E5+E4 WNr 220103 (odd code! Perhaps one of the above?)

Cheers
Stig

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E2+53 would be 220102
E3+53 do not exist (typo from Simon for E2+53)
E3+52 W.Nr. unknown,

more to come...

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Yes, sorry my mistake. Have corrected the typo.

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Another photo from Pintrest:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=656

This photo shows a He 162 with an unpainted fuselage in the aircraft dump at München-Riem. (The row of trees are the same as in other pictures of the Riem dump). The streaking on the fuselage is identical to that on E3+52 which to my mind confirms Simon's statement that the crash occurred at Riem.

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Karoband, this seem to be the same aircraft as in post #1. At another photograph this He 162 is visible behind the well know Fw 190 D, Red 4 from JV 44.

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Thanks Guys

Cheers
Stig

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On a related topic. I have two recent He 162 references that mention the late Heinkel production 162 may have come out of the factory in an upper wing with a splinter camouflage pattern of RLM 81/82. W/Nr. 120076- 120230. According to the Airframe Album 13. Has anyone a decent picture depicting a splinter upper wing scheme? Thanks in advance.

Troy .

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Troy, the splinter camouflage is nonsense. It was first published some years ago in the He 162 book by Peter Müller. He didn't realise that the photographs of 120076 he used as reference, showed the plane after it was "restored" in Canada.

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Thanks Simon.
I’ve been searching for months for a reference photo. Seriously. The post war photographs of the upper Wings are basically RAF markings over painted and then fictitious Luftwaffe markings reapplied. I also have the Mueller book and it also had me going in a endless search for nothing. I appreciate the response.