Colour RLM 45 dark red??? / He 162 nose colour
 

Hi Folks!

In the new issue of Flugzeug Classic (August 2006) is part 2 of the He 162 flown by the French after the war. There I read that the wooden Nose of No. 3 was painted in a dark red similar to RLM 45.

I have never heard from that colour. I also couldn't find anything in all my books.

I want to illustrate the He 162 A-2 W.Nr 120231 "White 6". The plane had an unpainted fuselage. Just the nose and fuselage cone were painted. The cone colours are clear, but the nose colour is still a mystery for me.

Maybe someone can help.

Cheers, Simon

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Dark red or red brown. Germans had some export color but this RLM code I have never hear before. I have RGB of one color for export, it is red brown, maybe could be of help:

123 30 35

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I believe it may have been a rust-red colored wood sealer paint (primer coat for wood)

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Here the colour using "Pilot's" colour guide! The arrow is RLM 23. I also converted the colour into bw-mode and compared it with the He 162 production pictures I found in Merrick's book "Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings Vol 1 page 190".

The question is did they overpaint this wood sealer paint on the He 162 W.Nr 120231 or not?

Cheers, Simon

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Hello Simon,

According to the color charts in Ken Merrick's Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings(recent publication) RLM 45 is, as the folks above have stated, a red/brown - slightly lighter in value and a bit more red than than FS 30109.

HTH,
D.B. Andrus

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Simon- can this conversion into the black and white be possible to match type of film used?

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I'm sorry but I can't find a colour chart of RLM 45 in this publication! In part one are charts showing FLIEGERLACK 7142 redbrown and FLIEGERLACK 7130 redbrown

7142 was used for propeller blades.

7130 (7131) was the base for wood, but had to be overpainted with FLIEGERLACK 7132 and 7135

Does anybody have an idea of the colour of FLIEGERLACK 7135?

Cheers, Simon

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Simon

When Mr. Merrick's early charts from the first volume were produced an error was made in the 'Farbtontafel' chart(fold-over with orange Farben-Kiroff-Technik logo on back). Shade RLM 45 was accidentally inserted in the RLM 28 Weinrot space and captioned as 28, you will notice in the 'Sonderdruck aus L.Dv. 521/1' chart that 28 is correctly placed and captioned. This error may have been rectified in subsequent copies of the charts. I apologize for my confusing post.

Best Regards,
D.B. Andrus

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Hi Simon,
I have no idea, if this might be of help to you, but here are two photos of the damaged nose cone of the He 162 of the Planes of Fame Museum, Chino, CA, USA. I took these photos just 3 weeks ago.

I don't know if you are able to see the colors correctely, but the hue of the wood base is like "Schellackiertes Buchenholz".
FYI, the color of the arrow is faded, and the plane has been atleast partialy repainted.
Other wooden parts of this plane (i.e. undercarriage wheel door, rudder) don't show this wood base/ sealer or it is not obvious...

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I forgot to include these images:

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Good images Chris- now he can compare color on photo with RGB I have provided...

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To make it easier for Simon,
here is the comp. of Pilot's and my photocolor:

The left two colors are pilot's, only the right half is enlightened to 84% opacity to match mine in saturation. The bigger right color is taken from my photo.
Both halves show their RGB values. To me mine looks like RLM 26, if that ever had a RLM nomination...

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Hard to beleive that after 50 years can be taken any match. Good idea to lighten the RGB value :)

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If it would be possible to take a probe, you could even sample thge original hue. But If I would have done that, the museum personel would have shot me.
Anyway the exact hue is not really important. You can put the mismatch on a variation of the paint distributer/ -tion.

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Yeah, that's it :) :)

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Thank you guys!

Chris, your pics were very helpful. RLM 45 or Fliegerlack 7130 should look something like redbrown.

I found a very interesting source at www.rlm-farben.de

Go to Quellen and than download Oberflächenschutzverfahren und Anstrichstoffe

The source doesn't help with the colour, but it's to read that the final coat of the Fliegerlackkette 30 could have different RLM colours. (00/ /02/04/11/21/22/23/24/25/26/27/28/41/42/61/62/63/64/65/66/ 67/68/69/70/71)

Also see Oberflächenschutzverfahren und Anstrichstoffe der deutschen Luftfahrtindustrie und Luftwaffe 1935-1945 by Michael Ullmann page 208.

So I think its impossible to answer my question. I think I will paint the nose of the He 162 W.Nr 120231 "White 6" in RLM 70. Very strange is that the He 162 that were built in Bernburg (310027) had a very light nose, as maybe RLM 21 or RLM 67

Cheers, Simon