Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Hi,

have you any info of the losses for JG 52 or Peter Duttmann this day, there are some Hungarian claims and my info is confusing,

thanks,
regards

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Found Peter Düttmann's claims even less reliable than Hartmann's. (Not judging the cause, just telling the conclusion.) His 3 claims on November 13, 1944 (2 Yak-11s in the Tápiószőllős area and an IL-2 in the Jászberény area) seem to be 100% overclaim.

There were only 2 Yak losses in the morning on November 13, 1944 in the 5th Air Army, lost in dogfights:

One was a Yak-3 (wrongly called Yak-11?) near Ócsa at 10:41 Moscow time - 08:41 local at the altitude of 3500 m. (from 5 VA, 13 GvIAD, 'red nose' 150 GvIAP, Yak-3, S/N: 3518, engine: 422-174, pilot: Gv.1Lt. Nikolai Alexeevich Kireev bailed out, wounded, sent to hospital.) 6 Yak-3 vs. 13 Me 109. A pair of Me 109s downed him. Time difference: ~20 mins., distance diff.: ~50-60 km from Düttmann's claims.

The other Yak (Yak-9D, S/N: 1815358) was lost around 11:54AM local time, so here I don't even go in the details. Same with the IL-2.

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Hi Gabor,

So whose claims to these losses actually match?

Regards
Nick

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Hi Nick,
Sorry, I have no idea. Most claims that I know are for the afternoon. I have never collected claims (as they are sometimes just pure fiction, repeated by multiple Publications and 'experts', without having any info from the 'other side'), I have always been focusing on the losses, that are 'verified by their owners', therefore reflect the real events much better. Certainly I can make links between them in some specific cases, but to me the loss records are much more valuable.

5 VA, 451 ShAP IL-2, S/N: 1873177 was lost to Flak(!) at 14:50 Moscow time, 12:50 local and crashlanded at Besenyszög-E, crew (Capt. Chechenev - Sgt. Moiseev) unhurt. I think it does not fit Düttmann's IL-2 claim for '12:2' in the Jászberény area.

Yak-3, S/N: 3518, or '3529218' (as being from factory no.292 in Saratov), by the way, was probably marked '35'. Since the La-5s, La-7s, Yak-3s were factory-marked/numbered with their plane-in-the-batch number, this was No.'35'. (The 35th plane of Yak-3 batch No.18 from Saratov, Russia, factory No.292). See another 'red nose' Yak-3 example from the very same 150 GvIAP: Savelii Vasilevich Nosov's No.'12', alias Yak-3, S/N: 310312 in 1945. (Plane no.12 from Yak-3 batch No.03 from Tbilisi, factory No.31. It was assigned on April 16, 1945.)

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Other lost IL-2m3 on November 13, 1944 was IL-2 (S/N: 10454, AM-38F engine: 4590224) from 5 VA, 235 ShAP, which was downed by Flak and crashed into a house in Jászberény at 12:30 Moscow time, 10:30 local. Crew of ml.lt. Burkanov - Lyalin was killed/missing. Location would match Düttmann's IL-2 claim, but the cause of loss and the time of crash wouldn't. (Eight 235 ShAP IL-2s (Comm.: Denisenko) were escoreted by four 513 IAP Yak-9s, when flak hit Burkanov's plane.)


IL-2, S/N.: 1873177 (AM-38F engine No.: 4590226) was discussed previously.

The 3rd 5 Air Army IL-2 loss this day was IL-2, S/N: 9947 (AM-38F engine No.: 259496) which crashlanded during a ferry flight landing on the Kunmadaras airfield. 1 man crew(!) of ml.lt. Vasilevich was unhurt. Plane was flown and crashed without a gunner.

5 VA, 187 GvShAP IL-2, S/N: 1872913 exploded mid-air at low altitude at 15:45 Moscow time, 13:45 local, over Zsámbok-S, 3 km with the Bukanov-Maslov crew onboard, due to tank fire. (~Flakpanzer, or flakvierling) Both crewmen were KIA. 9 IL-2s (Comm.: Kulikov) were escorted by 6 La-5s in the Zsámbok-Tura area.

None of them matches Düttmann's IL-2 claim!

Other IL-2s (S/N: 1882202, 9547, 303505, 11180 - from the 208, 525, 637 ShAPs) were downed far away over Southern-Slovakia from the 8th Air Army, etc... Hope this helps for Düttmann.

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

hi,

many thanks for your help,


regards

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

You are welcome. Soviet military documents at TsAMO (Central Military Archives of the Russian Federation in Podolsk, Russia) are the ultimate sources for the Eastern Front combat research. They have all of the loss reports (alias soviet 'MACR's) of downed planes, air unit diaries, mechanical-, maintenance logbooks, - everything. Combat diaries have serial number cross references for AC inventory reports, mechanical papers. No soviet plane-loss can be hidden or missed here at least for the later years of WWII, like 1944 or 1945. This is the ultimate test for the German and Axis fighter-claims. They can pass, or fail here. Hartmann, Düttmann and all of the others. Since I was not there, I cannot judge if they did, or did not hit their opponents in the air. Probably they did. But a large number of them was not a real loss/victory, - only damage. Afterall WWII was won/lost not in offices, in propaganda, or in statistics, but on the real frontlines. Certainly the soviet claims are also full of mistakes and overclaims. But not their loss reports! They knew what they had and what they had lost. Their documents were recorded at multiple levels of the military hierarchy with cross references, so planes could not just 'disappear' in there. I hope in the future more and more research will be available on the subject, which will change our view of WWII and the REAL achievements/results of the Axis-Allied fighter pilots and aces. So far the story was unfortunately way too one-sided, and the long claim-lists were treated as 'facts'.

Cheers,
Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Thanks for posting these two folios, Gabor. More of this stuff needs to be published so that the myths and untruths are replaced by what really happened

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Nick, you are welcome. Certainly we are working on it. Unfortunately my book (2013): 'Bostons in the Hungarian Sky and Soil' is not available now, but more and more publications are available based on our research and recoveries. One of our recovery project was IL-2 No.18842110 of 210 ShAP, which was downed by German flak on March 14, 1945 near Seregélyes, Hungary. Part of the engine block was recovered with partial No.58 on it. This was the hint that helped to identify the plane. We went through all of the soviet IL-2 MACRs for March, 1945 when the battles took place in the area and only 2 were found, where the AM-38F engine serial ended '58'. Plane S/N: 18842110 with engine №2510758 here, the other one far away from this site. This positively identified the plane of the Lev Constantinovich Vorobiev pilot (KIA) and Ivan Parfentevich Subbotin gunner (POW) crew which was downed here in IL-2, tail no.'30' on March 14, 1945 by German flak. For the recovery our Russian researcher friends came from Russia and even the Russian TV made a short documentary as well. The family of Vorobiev was contacted and a late, old relative of him visited the site. Placed flowers and received some recovered belongings of the killed pilot, who was missing for almost 70 years...
So our museum has a huge database of Soviet MACRs we use to identify recovered planes mainly by their engine serial - just like here. Service history of IL-2 No.18842110:

June 17, 1944: engine No.2510758 built at Factory No.24, shipped to Factory 18 in Kuybishev
July 7, 1944: IL-2 No.18842110 is finished with engine No.2510758 in Factory No.18
September 6, 1944: 18 UTAP hands over the plane to 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 210 ShAP
November 19, 1944: plane is being repaired in Szeged, Hungary
February 28, 1945: 210 ShAP hands over the plane to 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 715 ShAP
March 10, 1945: plane returns to 210 ShAP from 715 ShAP
March 14, 1945: plane is lost with the Vorobiev (KIA) - Subbotin (POW) crew at Seregélyes-SW, Hungary.

But speaking of March 14, 1945 and Düttmann in this thread, I should mention that in the same area we also recovered one of Düttmann's REAL victims, a soviet A-20G 'Boston' bomber of 17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP (Bomb Group) that Düttmann downed on March 14, 1945. The plane exploded in mid-air and covered the fields at Seregélyes-W, near Pálinkaházpuszta. Plane was A-20G-40-DO 'Boston', S/N: 43-21519 and was built at Santa Monica, Calif., U.S.A. on March 18, 1944.

According to the soviet documents the lost crew of A-20G, S/N: 43-21519 (R-2600-23 engines: 105954, 105698) was:

2Lt. Vladimir Nikolaevich Bahvalov pilot (KIA)
2Lt. Petr Konstantinovich Maiorov bombardier (KIA)
Sgt. Pavel Mikhailovich Zolotov radioman-gunner (KIA)
Sgt. Ivan Fodorovich Solianik gunner (KIA)

See the recovered small dataplate, that positively identified the crew as Düttmann's victim on March 14, 1945. So his 3 claims on November 13, 1944 were all overclaims, but his Boston claim on March 14, 1945 was a real victory.

Gabor

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Cheers, Gabor

I remember you mentioning this one before. As far as accuracy of claims go, Duettmann appears to be somewhere between as good as Lipfert and as bad as Hartmann

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Hi Nick, this is an interesting question. There were pilots with only 1 claim, which in the end was verified as a real victory. This is 100% accuracy.

(Eg.: Fw. Erich Pilz (6./SG.10, Fw 190F), who on November 16, 1944 at Szeged-NW claimed a DC-3 at low altitude of 75 m, in fact downed a soviet 4 GvBAK Douglas C-47A-50-DO, S/N: 42-24140. Brave Russian pilot, Gv.Capt. Petr Timofeevich Alexeenko belly landed the burning Douglas which was a complete loss. Passenger, commander of 5 GvAD DD, Gv.Col. Pavel Ivanovich Kondratev (1899-1944) died later the day in field hospital No.5202.)


Others, let's say claimed eg. 100 planes, but only 30 of them were destroyed. This is 30% accuracy. Now which one is 'better'? 30 or 1 real victory? 100%, or 30% accuracy? Statistic are tricky and hard to determine what is good, and what is bad. Overclaims were well known everywhere, including in the Royal Hungarian Air Force. Many publications describe the battle of the Hungarian 101/5. Squadron Bf 109G fighters against the 18 soviet 861 BAP Bostons and 5 Yak-9 fighters over Lake Balaton on March 23, 1945 with significant results:

Fekete Ottó zls.: Boston III. at Siófok-W
Báthy János hdgy.: Boston III. at Siófok-W
Nyári György hdgy.: Boston III. at Siófok-W
Kérges László szkv.: Yak-9 at Siófok-NW
Nánási Kálmán hdgy.: Yak-9 at Siófok-SW at 11:42.

But checking the soviet loss reports, we found, that only a single Boston was lost, all of the others, including the 659 IAP Yaks were just damaged. A-20G-30-DO Boston, S/N: 43-9582 (R-2600-23 engines: 83022, 82898) was hit, turned to the East and by rapidly loosing altitude, belly landed at Balatonfőkajár, just a few kms East of Siófok. Plane burned. Now who destroyed this plane? Fekete, Báthy or Nyári? I do not know. 3 bomber claims in a small area within a short period of time.

Crew of 17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP A-20G, No. 43-9582 on March 23, 1945:

gv.ml.lt. Oganes Mkrtichanovich Dzhanzhutov (head injury upon crashlanding)
ml.lt. Evgenii Kazimirovich Sleshinskii (unhurt)
Sgt. Valentin Fodorovich Bogdanovskii (leg injury by fighter fire)
Sgt. Ivan Artemevich Lushkin (leg injury by fighter fire)

(Plane was erased from combat service in the March 26, 1945 mechanical report.)

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Awesome stuff, Gabor!
Have you seen Ivan Lavrinenko's work on the Straits of Kerch fighting? It shows that Lipfert was astonishingly accurate in the early part of his career too. So has Peter Kassak's work for the end of the war. I have been able to construct a victory list for him as follows:

Helmut Lipfert

1st claim
30.1.43/1247
La-5
1km N of Malaya-Balabinka (PQ 08693) @ 1200m
437 IAP. Details pending

4 & 5 claims
7.3.43/0820 and 0823
U-2s (claimed as "R-5s")
Popochevskaya (PQ 86481) and Ivanovskaya (PQ 86731) @ low altitude
46 GNBAP (The Famous Night Witches), 218 NBAD. Only 2 losses: Serzhants Belyakova and Serebryakova's crews both safe. Transfer flight from Novodzhereliyevskaya to Pashkovskaya, managed to land and were sent to PARM (Barnickel claimed another, making this slight overclaiming between them)

6th claim
14.3.43/0656
IL-2 Sturmovik
Novorossisk (PQ 75731) @ 400m
Probably claimed against 47 ShAP, gunner Serzhant Nikolai Viktorovich Borisenko was a casualty this area, this date

7th and 8th claims
30.3.43/0625
LaGG-3s
Slavyanskaya – Anastasyevskaya sector.
Believe one or both of these were from 249 IAP

9th claim
20.4.43/0630
"MiG-1"
Abinskaya (PQ 85114) @ low altitude
7 IAP? Pilot possibly survived. Was this actually pilot Barabanov of 15 IAP, forcelanded near the front line with a holed radiator after combat with Bf109s?

13th claim
19.7.43/1355
Yak-1
Balkanskaya (PQ 75263) @ 3000m
42 GIAP lost 1 Yak-1 this date

16th claim
23.7.43/0554
P-39L-1 Airacobra
Kievskoye (PQ 76894) @ 500m
16 GIAP. Ml.Lt. Czikmariew KIA 6km NW of Marianskaja village (Soviet sources dated the loss as having occurred the following day)

17th claim
23.7.43/1733
IL-2 Sturmovik
Krimskaya (PQ 75264) @ 50m
Possibly 618 ShAP. Crews of Ml.Lt. Nikolay Romanovich Shapovalov and Serzhant Stepan Nikolaevich Bazhenov plus Alexey Alexeyevich Beregovskii and Nikolay Rodionovich Vynychenko all KIA (Several claims by the Gruppe in the morning and several in the late afternoon, like this one)

45th claim
5.11.43/1020
Yak-1
Kerch (PQ 66734) @ 1000m
No.1276 of 9 IAP ChF. Fedor Gerasemenk forcelanded safely in Soviet territory, aircraft ultimately written off after repairs attempted for just over a month at PARM

46th claim
6.11.43/1155
LaGG-3 ("Yak-7")
Eltigen (PQ 66732) @ close to water's surface
No. 6751 of 25 IAP. Ml.Lt. Pavel Kornienko ditched but went down with the aircraft

47th claim
11.11.43/1345
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Katerles (PQ 66871) @ close to ground level
210 ShAP. Ml. Lt. Nikolay Mel’nikov (future HSU) WIA in the face and gunner Private Lavrentiy Maslov forcelanded safely, aircraft written off

48th claim
11.11.43/1350
LaGG-3 ("Yak-1")
Bagerovo (PQ 66533) @ close to ground level
790 IAP. Ml.Lt. Semen Ledkov KIA

49th claim
12.11.43/0851
Yak-1
Kerch (PQ 66671) @ 800m
Overclaiming, no losses at this time. Unit unidentified

50th claim
12.11.43/1047
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Basky (PQ 6664 Mitte) @ 300m
210 ShAP. Overclaiming, two losses to Flak: Ml.Lt. Vasiliy Frolov safe but gunner WIA, aircraft written off plus Ml.Lt. Ivan Belykh and Serzhant Aleksey Uvarov both KIA

51st and 52nd claims
13.11.43/0543 and 0547
2 x Yak-1s
Bulganak – Mayak
790 IAP. Overclaiming, only one loss: Ml.Lt. Georgiy Zhadin KIA

53rd claim
14.11.43/0915
LaGG-3 ("Yak-1")
Eltigen (PQ 66732) @ close to water's surface
805 IAP or 863 IAP. One loss from each unit: 805 IAP lost Serzhant Aleksandr Ilyich Shvedov KIA whilst 863 IAP lost Ml. Lt. Valid Trakhov forcelanded safely, aircraft possibly written off

54th claim
14.11.43/1350
Katerles (PQ 66531) @ close to ground level
Misidentified? 805 ShAP IL-2s were being escorted by 979 IAP LaGG-3s in combat with Bf109s at the time, but 42 GIAP lost Lt Nikolay Smirnov and Ml.Lt Pavel Lutsenko MIA with no trace

55th claim
15.11.43/0615
Yak-1 ("Yak-9")
Kolonka (PQ 66643) @ 2500m
No. 28153 of 42 GIAP. Mlt.Lt. Nikolay Klaptenko KIA

56th claim
19.11.43/0630
Taman (PQ 66821) @ close to water's surface
No. 6616 of 25 IAP. Ml.Lt. Georgiy Kruglyakov KIA

57th claim
20.11.43/0640
LaGG-3 ("Yak-9")
Ilich (PQ 66623) @ close to water's surface
790 IAP. Ml.Lt. Pavel Shcherbakov KIA

58th claim
21.11.43/0700
IL-2 Sturmovik
Eltigen (PQ 66712) @ 150m
Overclaiming, no losses at this time. Unit unidentified

59th claim
21.11.43/0705
Yak-1
Taman (PQ 66821) @ close to water's surface
Overclaiming, no losses at this time. Unit unidentified

60th claim
27.11.43/0948
P-39 Airacobra
Gromovka (PQ 47771) @ 2500m
16 GIAP. Lt. Veniamin Pavlovich Tsvetkov (8 victories plus 2 shared at this time) WIA (burnt face and left leg) and Ml. Lt. Nikolay Belozerov bellylanded safely with 7 hits in the engine

61st claim
27.11.43/1440
LaGG-3 ("Yak-9")
Eltigen (PQ 66732) @ 800m
790 IAP. St.Lt. Anatoliy Kuzminykh KIA on 18th mission

62nd claim
29.11.43/1421
LaGG-3 ("Yak-1")
Into the sea E off Eltigen (PQ 66734) @ 2000m
863 IAP. Lt. Nikolay Eliseev safe. Aileron damaged, repaired in the field plus Ml.Lt. Dmitriy Gontsov belly landed safely with hits in the radiator, right gas tank and stabiliser, pilot returned next day (attributed to Flak). Ml.Lt. Fedor Mikhalchenko damaged by Flak and possibly finished off by Barkhorn or Lipfert

66th, 67th and 68th claims
2.12.43/0639, 0648 and 0655 LaGG-3s (the first was mistaken for a Yak-1) Kay Takyl-Feodosia sector
25 IAP-ChF. All appear to be legitimate victories: Ml.Lt. Viktor Ivanovich Verishchenko, Ml.Lt. Ivan Grigor'evich Gordievskiy and Ml.Lt. Dmitriy Andreevich Kusenko all KIA

69th and 70th victories
5.12.43/0725 and 0732
Yak-7 and Yak-1
S of Kossa Tusla and W of Taman
979 IAP. Believed to be legitimate victories

71st claim
5.12.43/1023
P-39 Airacobra
Kossa Tusla or E of Kossa Tusla @ close to ground level
66 IAP 329 IAD St.Lt. Pavel Mikhailovich Kamozin (later, 2 x HSU). Possibly finished off after being damaged by Otten or Ellendt

72nd claim
5.12.43/1355
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
SW of Kossa Tusla @ close to water's surface
7 GShAP, 8 GShAP and 622 ShAP were all in action. Total losses were just 2 IL-2s lost this date, one of them forcelanded. Three more were damaged

74th claim
9.12.43/1115
Yak-1
N of Taman @ close to water's surface
88 IAP lost one LaGG-3 written off in aircombat

75th claim
11.12.43/1137
Yak-1 ("Yak-7")
E of Mayak (Maisk?) @ 5500m
42 GIAP. Ml. Lt. Valentin Smolenko KIA

77th claim
27.12.43/1204
Mayak (PQ 66642) @ 4000m
P-39 Airacobra
Barkhorn claimed as well
These were two claims for 57 GIAP. St. Lt. Enrique Flores

79th claim
29.12.43/0712
Yak-1
W of Melikut @ 800m
790 IAP. Ml.Lt. Georgii F Martynov baled out, but drowned in Straits of Kerch

80th claim
29.12.43/1005
Li-2 ("Boston" or "Douglas")
SW of Mayak @ close to ground level
Misidentification: this was actually an Li-2 of 1 esc. 9.AP GVF. Kpt. Kurepin and one other badly WIA, 1 man KIA

83rd claim
21.1.44/1153
IL-2 Sturmovik
Churubech (PQ 66593) @ 50m
622 ShAP. Kapitan Georgii Sergeevich Karlov (AE CO) MIA
(also claimed by Gefr. Werner Cohrs a few minutes earlier)

84th claim
23.1.44/0708
Yak-7
Kerch (PQ 66643) @ 300m
6 GIAP. St.Lt. I I Protasov

86th claim
P-39 Airacobra
Kerch (PQ 66564 @ 400m)
101 GIAP. St.Lt. G M Zavodchikov

88th claim
Boston
Kossa Tusla (PQ 66 674) @ 800m
(Foennekold claimed as well)
277 BAP. Only one loss: Ml.Lt. A P Grachev and crew all KIA

95th claim
9.4.44/1440
Yak-7
Tomashevka (PQ 476123) @ 1400m
Nikolai Petrovich Skvortsov of 274 IAP? KIA on landing back at base? 15 IAP, 402 IAP, 43 IAP, 812 IAP and 9 GIAP all in action this date. Hard to determine exactly who shot down whom

96th claim
9.4.44/1558
Pe-2 German airfield at Grammatikovo (PQ 46634) @ 5300m 366 ORAP, 4 VA. Legitimate victory. Ml.Lt V.I.Nesvetayev taken POW after bellylanding, Ml.Lt I.I.Sopelchenko and St.Serzh Sila both KIA. 4 VA's only Pe-2 loss this date

108th claim
4.5.44/0644
Yak-7
Soki (PQ 36761 or 36763) @ close to water's surface
Very likely Lt. Shamil Munasipovich Abrashitov of 402 IAP, (17 kills) KIA (There was a claim by Waldmann at around the same time that is also a contender for his loss)

110th and 111th claims
5.5.44/1038 and 1050 Yak-7s Balaklava/Lapsi Bay One of these may have been Leytenant Ivanov of 402 IAP, 265 IAD. KIA this date, attributed to Lipfert or Hartmann

114th claim
6.5.44/0740
U-2
Belobek (PQ 35441) @ close to water's surface
402 IAP. Lt. Anatoliy Filonov and Semen Denisov both KIA (looking for another pilot of their unit who had been downed earlier)

120th claim
31.5.44/0804
Pe-2
Busila (PQ 78661) @ 600m Possibly 511 ORAP, 5 VA. Crew of pilot Dyadov HSU

122nd claim
4.6.44/1856
Yak-1
Sularni (PQ 78672) @ 1000m
5 VA lost 1 x Yak-9 in air combat this date plus 9 missing to unknown causes. Awaiting details of 17 VA's losses. In any case, this stands a decent chance of being a legitimate victory

123rd claim
P-39 Airacobra
Zahorna (PQ 78594) @ 1000m
129 IAP, 205 IAD lost 2 x P-39s this date
(there were at least 4 claims)

125th claim
5.6.44/1135
Yak-7
Carpiti (PQ 78673) @ 1000m
178 IAP. Legitimate victory. Pilot POW and known to have died in captivity (awaiting further details…)

127th claim
11.6.44/0945
B-17 Flying Fortress
Tateroi
15th AAF. 97th BG lost B-17F-50-DL 42-3383. Seeking details of any further losses

128th claim
24.6.44/0942
B-24 Liberator
Stefanesti
450th BG lost 41-29227, 42-78380, “Wolf Pack” 42-64454, ” Shoo Shoo Baby” 42-50304, 42-94984; 376th BG lost 42-78190, 42-78373, 42-78111, 42-52547; 96th BG lost 42-73136, 42-100259
(Seeking further details)

129th claim
27.6.44/1034 IL-2 Sturmovik Jassy (PQ 07372) @ 50m 5 VA or 17 VA. Overclaiming, no
IL-2s lost this date

145th claim
31.8.44/1020
P-51 Mustang (plus one unconfirmed)
Loewes (PQ 47257) @ 400m
52nd FG. Four definite losses: serial of one of the Mustangs was P-51 D-5-NA, 44-13295. Personnel losses were 2/Lt. Paul D Frazier of 4th FS (POW), 42-103395 of 1/Lt. Frank Edward Tomlinson of 2nd FS (POW), 2/Lt. Robert L Davis (of 2nd FS, KIA) and QP-X of Lt. Roy (?) Carlson also of 2nd FS (KIA). All of these were definitely lost to JG 52 Bf109s. A fifth Mustang crashlanded at Madna airfield, Italy upon return

146th claim
17.10.44/1038
Yak-1B ("Yak-11")
Hosszúpályi (PQ 18655) @ 3000m
73 GIAP, 6 GIAD, 5 VA. Lt. Malyavin KIA

147th claim
21.10.44/1052
La-5F
Öcsöd (PQ 07166) @ 700m
192 IAP, 279 IAD, 5 VA. Ml.Lt. Sukovyants safe

148th claim
23.10.44/1531
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Solnok (PQ 08752) @ 1000m
131 GShAP, 7 GShAD, 5 VA. Crew of Kralkin and Babailov both KIA. Serials of Lipfert's victims were 10620 (factory No.1, Kuybishev) and 302820 (factory No.30, Moscow)

149th claim
23.10.44/1531
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
131 GShAP, 7 GShAD, 5 VA. Pilot Lapinski POW, gunner Filippov MIA. Serials of Lipfert's victims were 10620 (factory No.1, Kuybishev) and 302820 (factory No.30, Moscow)

150th claim
24.10.44/0922
Yak-9T ("Yak-7")
Újfehértó (PQ 18272) @ low altitude
150 GIAP, 13 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Sisko POW

151st claim
27.10.44/1217
IL-2 KR? ("IL-2 Sturmovik mH")
Büdszentmihály (New name since 1952: Tiszavasvári) (PQ 18129) @ 1200m
Was this from 207 ORAP?

152nd claim
27.10.44/1221
Yak-7
Büdszentmihály (New name since 1952: Tiszavasvári) (PQ 18156) @ 800m
Believed to be from 122 IAP. Certainly no permanent losses this date. Overclaiming

153rd claim
13.11.44/1245
Yak-1 ("Yak-3")
SE of Jászberény (PQ 98639) @ 4000m
No. 42178 or 42188 of 149 GIAP. Ml.Lt. Stepanov safe, hit at this time and place. Made a one-wheel landing and sent off for repairs

154th claim
16.11.44/1239
Yak-1B ("Yak-11")
Tura (PQ 98446) @ 1500m
122 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Kapt. Artemev KIA

155th claim
17.11.44/1105
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Jászberény (PQ 98634) @ 600m
90 GShAP, 4 GShAD, 5 VA. Pilot Kurilov KIA, gunner Ananev fate not mentioned

156th claim
17.11.44/1110
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Jászberény (PQ 98498) @ 400m
90 GShAP, 4 GShAD, 5 VA. Crew of Ivlev and Petrunin both WIA

157th claim
17.11.44/1320 Yak-1B ("Yak-7") Hort (PQ 98426) @ 600m 151 GIAP, 13 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Noskov MIA

158th claim
23.11.44/1040
Yak-1B ("Yak-9")
Atkár (PQ 98435) @ 800m
513 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Pilot Kuyanov. (The unit also lost pilot Goichenko, underclaiming? Serials were 29156 and 45168

159th claim
5.12.44/1030
Yak-9T
Hatvan (PQ 98411) @ 1500m
122 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Ml.Lt. Erko MIA

160th claim
9.12.44/1505
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Csajág (PQ 88784) @ 1200m
989 ShAP, 136 ShAD, 17 VA. Pilot Ml.Lt. Veretelnikov MIA, Ml.Serzh Bezroukov fate not mentioned

161st claim
11.12.44/1453
Pe-2
Balatonkenese (PQ 88779) @ 4500m
39 ORAP, 17 VA. Crew of Elohov, Uhvatov and Tisenko all KIA

162nd claim
22.12.44/0937
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Börgönd (Székesfehérvár-S, German city name: Stuhlweißenburg)
189 ShAD, 17 VA. Too many losses to be able to match up (likely a legitimate victory though)

163rd claims
23.12.44/1048
Yak-9D
Enying
Probably 659 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. St.Lt. Salamatov crashlanded after dogfight with Bf109s

164th claim
24.12.44/1425
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
Seregélyes
Possibly 189 ShAD, 17 VA

165th and 166th claims
25.12.44/1208 and 1215
Yak-9T and Yak-1B (both claimed as"Yak-9s")
611 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Legitimate victorird. Some losses not yet matched to claims but known to include Capt. Konstantin Leontievich Chernogor KIA in Yak-1B 26170 near Zamoly. Lt. Nikolai Nikolaevich Kutsenko bailed out from his burning Yak-1B, S/N: 41184 also near Zamoly. Ml.lts Dmitrii Gavrilovich Kirichenko, Ivan Ivanovich Aleshkin, Aleksei Timofeevich Fadeev, Boris Aleksandrovich Yablyukhin were also downed

167th claim
2.1.45/1115
La-5
E of Bodmér area
116 IAP, 295 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Roi safe

168
2.1.45/1145
Yak-9T
4km E of Vereb
611 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Dimov KIA

169th and 170th claims
4.1.45/0826 and 0828
IL-2 Sturmoviks
Tarján
Legitimate victories: 210 ShAP, 136 ShAD, 17 VA lost 8 IL-2s this date, including No.10967, 10987, 304836, 18853106. 17 VA lost a grand total of 17 IL-2s this date

171st claim
4.1.45/1041
Yak-9D
Bicske
897 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Konovalov WIA

172nd claim
4.1.45/1112
La-5FN
Tardos
No. 539211399/"99" of 530 IAP, 194 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Suhorukhov KIA

173rd claim
8.1.45/1413
A-20B-DL Havoc ("Boston")
Börgönd (Székesfehérvár-S, German city name: Stuhlweißenburg)
41-2937 of 449 BAP, 244 BAD, 17 VA. Crew of Vetlov, Ionov, Tolmatski and Burtsev all KIA

174th Claim
8.1.45/1418
A-20G-40-DO Havoc ("Boston")
Börgönd (Székesfehérvár-S, German city name: Stuhlweißenburg)
43-21588 of 449 BAP, 244 BAD, 17 VA. Crew of Kruglov, Kudryavtsev, Sikov and Shestakov all KIA

175th claim
14.1.45/1211
Yak-9D ("Yak-3")
Muzsla
31 GIAP, 6 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Bezuglii KIA

176th claim
14.1.45/1436
Yak-9D ("Yak-3")
Muzsla
Unknown, no match to timing. Previous research stated that one of Lipfert's victories this date may have been 1615342 of 31 GIAP, 6 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Alexei Yefimovich Stadnichenko KIA

177th claim
16.1.45/1217
La-5
Budaörs
This one likely only damaged. 2 La-5s lost this date, both in late afternoon so this does not match. Overclaim.

178th claim
22.1.45/1324
La-5
Stuhlweissenburg
116 or 164 IAP, 295 IAD, 17 VA. Legitimate victory but hard to match up. 116 IAP lost St.Lt. Georgii Konstantinovich Zolotarskii and Ivan Danilovich Plankevich both MIA this date

179th claim
27.1.45/1445
IL-2 Sturmovik
7km NW of Adony
951 ShAP, 306 ShAD, 17 VA. Pilot Lt. Filonovich KIA, gunner Abrosimov MIA

180th claim
22.2.45/1400
La-7 ("La-5")
Bart
179 GIAP, 14 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Pinko WIA

181st claim
22.2.45/1625
Yak-3
Bina
Believed to be an overclaim, no matchable loss

182nd claim
25.2.45/1053
Bf109 (claimed as a "Yak-9")
Altsohl/Zvolen
This was most likely W.Nr. 166248/"Yellow 9" of Grupul 9. Adj. Stag Av. Traian Darjan KIA. If genuinely a Yak: likely 513 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA, several losses this date

183rd claim
8.3.45/1410
IL-2 Sturmovik
Soponya
136 ShAD or 189 ShAD. Several losses this date, attributed to Flak but this could possibly be one of them

184th claim
11.3.45/1035
Yak-9M ("Yak-3")
Suborgarol/ Siófok
611 IAP, 288 IAP, 17 VA. Lt. Kutsenko KIA

185th claim
11.3.45/1405
Yak-3
Siófok
Overclaiming? No such permanent loss, - probably damaged, or crashlanded on airfield

186th claim
13.3.45/1013
Yak-9M ("Yak-7")
Pákozd
866 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Lt. Kamenetskii safe

187th claim
14.3.45/1207
La-5FN
Székesfehérvár (German city name: Stuhlweißenburg)
39211637/"37" of 164 IAP, 295 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt Iozhitskii POW

188th claim
14.3.45/1211
IL-2 Sturmovik
Pákozd
672 ShAP, 306 ShAD, 17 VA. Lt. Mamontov KIA and Serzhant Kovalev both KIA

189th claim
17.3.45/1615
IL-2 Sturmovik
Lake Velencei (Velencei-tó)
615 ShAP, 189 ShAD, 17 VA. Crew of Kapt. Nikitin and Gv.Serzhant Apalkov both OK. Was this IL-2 No.1873298 with engine No.257858, downed this date?

190th and 191st claims
20.3.45/1533 and 1541
IL-2 Sturmoviks
Székesfehérvár, Várpalota, Gúttamási, Öskü
210 ShAP, 136 ShAD, 17 VA. Losses were 11082/"White 8" of Ml.Lt. Petr Alekseevich Taranovich and St.Serzh Victor Konstantinovich Ogarkov both WIA (crashed NW of Guttamasi) and 1871797/"White 23" of Aleksei Dmitrievich Belyashin and Serzh. Phillip Fomich Verbitski both KIA (crashed at Oesku). These are the two victories that he achieved while drunk

192nd claim
21.3.45/1158
La-5FN
Eastern end of Lake Balaton
848 IAP, 194 IAD, 17 VA. St.Lt. Vasilev KIA

193rd claim
21.3.45/1530
Yak-9M (“Yak-5”)
Felsőgalla
No. 4515340 of 179 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Lt. Viktor Yakovlevich Ragulin MIA

194th claim
27.3.45/1415
Yak-9T
Neutra
122 IAP. Petr Andreevich Filatov

195th claim
27.3.45/1418
IL-2 Sturmovik
Neutra
90 GShAP, 4 GShAD. Gv Maj. Aleksandr Grigorievich Kuzin POW and Starshina Alexei Vasilievich Molchanov POW (went to gulag due to POW status)

196th claim
27.3.45/1655
Neutra
27 OKRAP. Dmitri Vasileyich Radichuk

197th claim
28.3.45/1712
Yak-3
Neutra
149 GIAP. Mitrofan Yefimovich Koval

198th claim
1.4.45/1605
La-7
Dioszeg
177 GIAP. Vasili Nikitovich Matveev

199th claim
5.4.45/0945
La-7
Gairing
177 GIAP. Petr Nikolaevich Efimov

200th claim
8.4.45/1554
La-7
Hainburg
486 IAP. Alexei A Spiridonov

201st claim
9.4.45/1720
La-7
Lundenburg
(Arno Fischer claimed 5 minutes earlier)
179 GIAP. Pilots Aleksander Tikhonovich Machankov and Vasili Vasilievich Valujev both MIA

202nd claim
14.4.5/1500
Yak-9
Stokerau
Day's Yak losses include Nikolaj Vasilyevich Kharitonov HSU, OL, 2 x ORB, OAN, OPW 1st class and Red Star (520 IAP?) baled out but struck tailplane, WIA and Boris Baranov (his wingman) returned but DOW plus Yak-9M No.5315311 of 659 IAP and Yak-3 No.310292 of 897 IAP, Ml.Lt. Dmitry Antonovich Ermak, KIA over Ruckersdorf

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Thanks Nick, this is great. I have found Lipfert's claims extremely accurate too. Glad to see that others confirm this by researching other periods of his combat service. To me, -at least among the Axis fighter aces, flying over Hungary- definitely Lipfert was the most reliable, top ace.

Else. What I found interesting in the soviet documents is that the soviet pilots regularly confused the Bf 109 and Fw 190 models in the air. (vice versa) Especially is the cloudy, dark, fall, or winter months. It is clear that an SG.10 Fw 190F downed the C-47A on November 16, 1944 near Szeged, yet the soviets thought it was a Bf 109.

Cheers,
Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Wow... More amazing attachments. Many thanks!
Do you have much on Foennekold's claims during the period shortly before he was killed?
Ivan demonstrated that he was the best over the Straits of Kerch

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Sorry, I have no info on that time period.
Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

No problem, Gabor.
Always great to discuss this subject with you

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Gabor/Nick

May I extend my congratulations from Sweden as well.
Triggering Gabor to partly lift the lid off his extended files on Soviet aircraft over Hungary is fascinating to say the least.

Thank You both and Seasons Greetings as well

Cheers
Stig

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Cheers, Stig. I hope the season is good to you too. Personally, I cannot wait for this awful year to end and for the 20s to bring better things.

For Gabor,

Returning to your instance of the Bostons claimed by the Hungarian pilots, on my own database I tend to try and mark out the most likeliest claim, and/or list the loss(es) alongside the claims as if each has an equal chance of having inflicted the loss or took a share in it.
I try to be as fair as possible.

I also think it's great that guys like you go further than just making unsubstantiated comments about a pilot's honesty and accuracy in claiming and actually go so far to back up what you are saying with examples of specific combats.

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Thanks Nick, we try what we can ;-) As of the March 23, 1945 dogfight with the 861 BAP Bostons... probably I spoke too fast. I checked the notes and Fekete Ottó zls. ("Ens. Otto Black") reported that the plane he attacked at the end of the bomber formation "exploded" in the air. Well, now we know that none of the Bostons "exploded into pieces", but the left engine of 43-9582 caught fire and "exploded". If you fly behind a plane and an engine flies around you in small pieces, then you see fire and smoke, perhaps you would also describe it as "exploded". Anyways, the word "exploded" is dramatic enough to think that the downed Boston was under Otto's fire. Since I have no other statements from the other 2 guys, I think 43-9582 was probably Otto's victim, - if you have to choose a name. See service record and ferry route of 43-9582 through Brazil, Mid-Africa, Iran to the USSR.

The soviet 861 BAP Boston formation this time was led by Capt. Ivan Grigorevich Petuhov in A-20B, S/N: 41-3230, '28'. Other crews that reported (Hungarian) fighter attacks over Lake Balaton:

A-20G, S/N: 42-86850 ('24') - Lt. Boris Grigorevich Sverdlovskii
A-20G, S/N: 43-10084 - Lt. Constantin Ivanovich Podkopalov
A-20G, S/N: 43-21405 ('8') - Ml.Lt. Alexei Savelevich Lilienko

Obviously two of these were the other 2 Bostons, that the Hungarian fighters (~Báthy & Nyári) claimed, but finally they all landed back safely on their bases with different damages.

And an interesting question: soviet records say that C-47A, S/N: 42-24140 was lost in Hungary on November 16, 1944. American record of the same plane says it was delivered to Australia. (Check my prev. attachments.) How did this C-47A end up in Soviet service if she was delivered to Australia? Any idea?

Cheers,
Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

I really must own the fact that you have stumped me with that one.
Usually these things turn out to be incorrectly recorded details on the part of some desk-clerk somewhere but it's not fair to assert that until one has pinpointed the error

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Yep, I still do not know the answer. Put it aside for later ;-))
Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Gabor,

here is a link to the Australian Defence Force DC-3/C-47 listing.

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/2a65.htm

Note that the serial 42-24140 is not listed there, in fact, that particular block of serial numbers runs out precisely at 43-24139.

I think that gives an edge to the belief that the American listing is wrong and that the Russian listing of 24140 is indeed correct.

So: 42-24135 to 42-24139 came to Australia.
42-24140 went to the VVS but was assumed to have been among those that came here.

Makes sense?

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Hello,

Here are the results of the late Jennifer Gradidge's researches on C-47As 10002/42-24140, 11866/42-92103 and 11967/42-92194:

C/ns 10001 to 10183 - C-47A-50-DL - Contract No AC-20669: 42-24139 to 42-24321.

10002 - 42-24140 D05Aug43 - Russia - [Note: USAAF records state that this went to the RAAF; however, c/n 11967 which is quoted for A65-20 in civil records is given by the USAAF as going to Russia, so it would appear the USAAF records have become mixed]. (p.385)

11866 -42-92103 D24Aug43 -Russia 19Apr44 - [for VH-TAF see c/n 11967] (p.400)

C/ns 11854 to 12213 - C-47A-1-DK - Contract No AC-28405: 42-92-92092 to 42-92416, with every tenth aircraft in the block 42-108801 to 42-108836 from c/n 11858.

11967 - 42-92194 - D14Oct43 - A65-20 - has c/n 11896 but 42-92194 on the USAAF plate [USAAF records state that 42-92103 went to Russia see also c/n 10002] A65-20 VHCTU 08Dec43 - 35 Sq 21Dec43 -33 Sq 04Jul45 - VH-TAF Trans Australia A/L "Warburton" B23Aug46, R11Oct46 - VH-SBM "Ivan Champion" Rr 13Apr61 - Australian Acft Sales 30Mar68 - PK-RDE SeulawahAir Svve "Windu Kentlana" R24Aug68, D26Sep68 - Suelawah/Mandala (1971) - No Longer Registered. (pp.400 & 402)

See:
The Douglas DC1/DC2/DC3 The First Seventy Years - Volume 2.
Gradidge,Jennifer M., et al.
Tonbridge:Air-Britain,2006.
pp.385, 400 & 402.

Col.

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Thank you guys for clarifying the service history of C-47A, S/N: 42-24140. So she was lost in soviet service indeed on November 16, 1944 and the Australian delivery in the American record is incorrect. I edit it accordingly. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone!

Cheers,
Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Hi guys, back to Düttmann. His claims over Hungary were discussed years ago:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...&postcount=187

In this list he claimed two Yak-3s on March 8, 1945 that back then I still identified as two 17 VA, 288 IAD, 866 IAP Yak-3s: one overclaim, the other one as S/N: 310099 (engine serial: 422-166) from Tbilisi, factory No.31, piloted by Lt. Victor Vasilevich Yablochkin (KIA/MIA). I checked the loss-details of Yablochkin's Yak-3 again. At 16:20 Moscow time (14:20 local) 6 Yaks, led by Maj. Ivan Fedorovich Panin were flying over the Seregélyes-NE area and met 8 Bf 109s. After the dogfight Panin saw a huge, but unidentified smoke raising from the ground. Yablochkin went missing.

(Note, that this time a huge tank-battle took place below them in the area (3. day of Germany's last, so called Frühlingserwachen, or 'Spring Awakening' offensive!), in which both sides suffered huge losses in an effort to break through the defense lines between Lake Balaton and the city of Székesfehérvár, eg.:

3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '406', chassis no.: 412836 (Sgt. Yurii Petrovich Cherkasov, unhurt)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '407', chassis no.: 412928 (Sgt. I. S. Gorokhov, unhurt)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '409', chassis no.: 4120466 (perhaps ml.lt. Dmitrii Ivanovich Grigorenko -unhurt, or ml.Lt. Ibrahimov -KIA?)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '412', chassis no.: 4110247 (perhaps ml.lt. Dmitrii Ivanovich Grigorenko -unhurt, or ml.Lt. Ibrahimov -KIA?)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '414', chassis no.: 412915 (ml.lt. Georgii Philippovich Potapov, unhurt)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '447', chassis no.: 412511 (perhaps ml.lt. Dmitrii Ivanovich Grigorenko -unhurt, or ml.Lt. Ibrahimov -KIA?)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 363 gd.self.prop.art.rgt.: ISU-122S: '301', chassis no.: 41224 (gv.lt. Victor Andreevich Katkov, unhurt, comm. of 3rd bttn.)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 363 gd.self.prop.art.rgt.: ISU-122S: '303', chassis no.: 41226 (gv.lt. Dmitrii Kirillovich Kosinov, KIA)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 170 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '5xx', chassis no.: 41xxxx (Sgt. Semen Mikhailovich Shaligin, KIA)

I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '408', chassis no.: 412085 (ml.Lt. Kuzma Petrovich Tarasov) - 110 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '408', chassis no.: 412085 (ml.Lt. Kuzma Petrovich Tarasov) - 110 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '408', chassis no.: 412085 (ml.Lt. Kuzma Petrovich Tarasov) - 110 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '414', chassis no.: 412915 (ml.Lt. Georgii Philippovich Potapov) - 110 tank-brigade
II./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Pz.IV. Ausf. J, claimed by T-34/85 '545', chassis no.: 4121591 (ml.Lt. Arhip Petrovich Dedov) - 170 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 9 'Hohenstaufen': Panther Ausf. G, probably destroyed by a 18 tank corps, 208 self.prop.art.brigade, 1016 self.prop.art.rgt. SU-100
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 9 'Hohenstaufen': Panther Ausf. G, probably destroyed by a 18 tank corps, 208 self.prop.art.brigade, 1016 self.prop.art.rgt. SU-100
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 9 'Hohenstaufen': Panther Ausf. G, probably destroyed by a 18 tank corps, 208 self.prop.art.brigade, 1016 self.prop.art.rgt. SU-100
7./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': StuG III. Ausf. G, '7xx', claimed by M4-A2(76)W 'Sherman' '139', chassis no.: U.S.A. 3080899 (Gv.Lt. Mikhail Ananevich Erastov), 3 Ukr. Front, 1 Gv. Mech. Corps., 18 Gv.Tank-Regiment., ..........etc-etc.)

So the smoke on the ground literally could be anything, not necessarily Yablochkin's Yak-3! Either, or, his time of crash around 14:20 (local) does not match Düttmann's Yak-3 claims at 16:24 at Aba-SW, 3 km and at 16:27 at Aba-S, 4 km.
Hungarian Bf 109G pilot, Kálmán István zls. (101/7. Sq.) claimed a Yak-3 at Dömsöd-NE, 1 km at 14:45 local, which is closer to Yablochkin's loss in time, but still not matching.

17 VA, 288 IAD, 897 IAP also lost a Yak-9T this day in the Börgönd area at 16:40 Moscow, 14:40 local time. A recce. pair of Yak-9s (1Lt. Kondratev - Ml.Lt. Eliseenko) flew in the area when they met 4 Bf 109s and 1Lt. Grigorii Ivanovich Kondratev went missing in his Yak-9T, S/N: 0815354. Eliseenkov returned home alone. Perhaps the Hungarian fighter shot him down at 14:45 and reported wrongly as a Yak-3? Hungarians usually flew in smaller groups, so the reported 4 Bf 109 rather suggest this. (Ml.Lt. Georgii Semenovich Eliseenkov was killed just in a few days near Fáncs on March 12, 1945 in a dogfight in his Yak-3, S/N: 310370 around 17:05 local.)

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

hi,

your info is great! i can only add one claim you don´t have or you forgot to comment:

1,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Il-2 ostlich Kecskemet E Kecskemet 1409 1000 E J 120


info by Johannes Matthews claims,

regards

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

A Hungarian ace, Lt. Nánási also claimed a Yak-9 at this time and closer to the reported area of loss, mentioned by Soviet sources.

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Thank you. On November 1, 1944 the 5 Air Army lost these IL-2s permanently:

5 VA, 264 ShAD, 235 ShAP IL-2 (S/N: 10472, AM-38F engine: 256645), crashed at Törtel, downed by flak. Astahov-Novikov crew missing. Take-off time was 12:50 local, 6 IL-2s led by Denisenko, escorted by 4 513 IAP Yak-9s. Flak fire received over Jászladány and Rékas (now: Zagyvarékas).

5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 90 GvShAP records not clear yet. Perhaps 2 IL-2 losses, Gv.Lt. Ivlev belly landed at Nagykőrös, Gv.Capt. Kurilov at Árboz, - have to check in deeper.

Hungarian Bf 109G fighters were really successful this day. Málnássy Ferenc hdgy. downed Ml.Lt. Aaron Iosifovich Polonskii's 5 VA, 218 BAD, 452 BAP A-20G-1-DO Boston (S/N: 42-53754, R-2600-23 engines: 42-154008, 42-154041) near Gyomaendrőd during their Cegléd mission, while Kálmán István zls. damaged ml.lt. Lev Nikolaevich Velikanov's A-20G-10-DO Boston (S/N: 42-53947, R-2600-23 engines: 42-174974, 42-174895) near Tiszaalpár.

Capt. Pottyondy László (102/2. Squadron) downed Evgenii Ivanovich Batyunya's (Батюня) Lavochkin La-5F at Szolnok. (5 VA, 14 GvIAD, 177 GvIAP, S/N: 39215336, engine: 6504268)

5 VA, 6 GvIAD, 73 GvIAP lost a Yak-1B (S/N: 08175, engine: 345-2353, Gv.Lt. Alexandr Semenovich Andrianov, POW - Combat between 8 Yaks, led by Maj. Zuev and 8 Bf 109 over Nagykőrös area at 4500-6000 m.), and temporarily a damaged, Omsk-built Yak-9D (S/N: 18166046). That's all.

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Can this type of material perhaps help us establish the accuracy of Rudel's claims against Russian armour, or perhaps those of Wittmann, Knispel and Carius?

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

13 victory claims made by Rudel against Soviet tanks on 8.02.1945 were researched in that article:

'Thirteen tanks for one foot?'

https://warspot.ru/13416-trinadtsat-tankov-za-odnu-nogu

At best only one of 13 claims can be confirmed as destroyed and two as damaged. But even those claims cannot be 100% attributed to Rudel.

Regards,
Maksim

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Hi Nick, I would say yes. However, I am not familiar with the Luftwaffe tank claims and I have just a limited number of soviet tank loss reports. Soviets had amazing records for tanks as well (just like for their aircrafts), they recorded their unit, date, chassis number, engine number(s), markings, crews, location, cause of loss. But: they were lost in such a big number, that in a field it was almost impossible to determine the actual cause of the loss for a burned tank. In other words, even if the Luftwaffe claim was accurate, it might not show up in the loss reports as a victim of a Ju 87G, or Hs 129B, etc. Not to mention that even soviet tanks were lost to the bombs and cannons of 'workaholic' IL-2 crews, because as far as I know eg. all of these tanks were destroyed in 'friendly' IL-2 fire in March, 1945:

3 UF, 18 TK, 170 tank-brigade T-34/85, '536', chassis no: 4121531, engine: 105712
3 UF, 18 TK, 170 tank-brigade T-34/85, '544', chassis no: 4121616, engine: 105589
3 UF, 18 TK, 170 tank-brigade T-34/85, '545', chassis no: 4121591, engine: 105126
3 UF, 18 TK, 170 tank-brigade T-34/85, '575', chassis no: 0412228, engine: 4090656

Certainly these chassis numbers (serial numbers) also have meaning, as for the T-34s the 1st digit was the year, 2nd and 3rd the month of production, like: 4121591 was built in December, 1944: 4-12-..... (I mean in most factories. Some say '412....' was used still in 1945 as well.) Unsure about the other digits. Or all U.S-built tank's chassis number (Sherman, Lee, Pershing, etc.) started with: 'U.S.A. 30.......' , because in U.S. registration '30' meant: 'tank', like: soviet Sherman 'U.S.A. 30116426' of 3 UF, 1 GvMK, 9 GvTBr, '959', lost to a I./Pz.Rgt 24 Panther Ausf. G in January, 1945, west of Budapest, Hungary. Interesting that in her report only one of the two 671-type Diesel engine serials was given (№671150510), because the other one was probably not readable after the explosion. Later, in 1945 in the Royal Hungarian Air Force eg. they listed all of the aerial and tank victories in a single, common list to make life simple ;-)

Gabor

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

As for Duttmann' s claims... quite a number of those were researched by Ivan Lavrinenko:

https://www.proza.ru/2016/07/07/1127

25. 29.12.1943 12:50 P-39 - overclaim
26. 03.01.1944 08:17 P-39 - overclaim
27. 03.01.1944 08:25 P-39 - possible, LaGG-3 of 249 IAP, k-t Osman Ziyadinov MIA
28. 15.01.1944 07:21 Il-2 m.H. - overclaim
29. 17.01.1944 06:41 Il-2 m.H. - overclaim
30. 21.01.1944 11:41 P-40 - LaGG-3 of 88 IAP, m. l-t Dmitry Shulzhenko or m. l-t. Petr Cherepnin, both KIA
31. 10.02.1944 09:25 Jak-1 - possible, 6 GIAP or 25 IAP
32. 10.02.1944 12:00 LaGG-3 - overclaim
33. 12.02.1944 08:52 Jak-1 - possible, LaGG-3 of 805 IAP or 25 IAP
34. 13.02.1944 07:48 P-39 -P-39 of 66 IAP, lt. Nikolay Sobolev WIA, crashlanded, a/c wright off
35. 13.02.1944 15:07 P-39 - overclaim
36. 14.02.1944 11:27 P-39 - possible, P-39 of 57 GIAP, m. lt. Ivan Shcherbak MIA
37. 26.02.1944 12:24 P-40 - P-40 of 83 GIAP, damaged, crashlanded
38. 01.03.1944 08:03 P-40 - possible, Yak-7b of 84 GIAP, damaged, m. lt. Zorin WIA
39. 02.03.1944 09:55 Jak-1 - possible, Yak-1 of 42 GIAP, damaged, st. lt. Zaytsev OK
40. 11.03.1944 16:22 Jak-1 - unclear but possible
41. 12.03.1944 07:45 P-40F - overclaim
42. 12.03.1944 07:52 P-40F - overclaim
43. 13.03.1944 08:35 Il-2 - possible, Il-2 of 8 GShAP or 47 ShAP
44. 14.03.1944 13:00 LaGG-3 - LaGG-3 of 249 IAP, st. lt. Petr Shcheblykin WIA
45. 16.03.1944 10:10 Il-2 - Il-2 of 7 GShAP, k-n Vladimir Demidov and st-na Vasily Poplavsky both WIA, Poplavsky DOW
46. 16.03.1944 10:11 Il-2 - overclaim
47. 16.03.1944 10:12 Il-2 - overclaim
48. 16.03.1944 10:13 P-40 - overclaim
49. 17.03.1944 09:15 LaGG-3 - overclaim
50. 17.03.1944 09:20 LaGG-3 - overclaim
51. 17.03.1944 09:21 LaGG-3 - overclaim
52. 17.03.1944 09:23 Il-2 - overclaim
53. 26.03.1944 09:23 Jak-1 - possible, Yak-9 of 15 IAP, m. lt. Ivan Dmitriyev MIA
54. 26.03.1944 16:07 Jak-1 - possible, Yak-9 of 274 IAP, m-r Nikolay Volchkov KIA
55. 26.03.1944 16:08 Jak-1 - overclaim
56. 05.04.1944 13:11 LaGG-5 - overclaim
57. 05.04.1944 17:26 Il-2 - possible, Il-2 of 210 ShAP, damaged, later repaired
58. 05.04.1944 17:30 P-40F - overclaim
59. 05.04.1944 17:31 P-40F - overclaim
...
61. 09.04.1944 10:09 Il-2 - possible
62. 09.04.1944 10:12 Il-2 - overclaim

In total: 5 confirmed, 12 possible, 20 overclaims

Regards,
Maksim

Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
 

Folks, just some addition to Düttmann's two "Yak-3" (if -3!) claims on March 8, 1945 at 16:24 at Aba-SW, 3 km and at 16:27 at Aba-S, 4 km. The only Yak fighter unit in the area was the 288th Fighter Division (IAD), which had 4 regiments (IAP): 611, 659, 866, 897 IAP.


Planes of 17 Air Army, 288 IAD by March 01, 1945:

288 IAD HQ.:
Yak-3:.............1

611 IAP:
Yak-1B:...........4
Yak-3:.............7
Yak-9D,M:........9
Yak-9DD:.........1 (long range escort version)

659 IAP:
Yak-3:..............6
Yak-9D,M:........22
Yak-9T:............1
Yak-9DD:..........1 (long range escort version)

866 IAP:
Yak-3:...............29

897 IAP:
Yak-1B:..............1
Yak-9D,M:..........6
Yak-9T:..............6
Yak-9DD:...........2 (long range escort version)

Missions flown by these regiments on March 8, 1945 as per the combat diary of 288 IAD:

611 IAP: 45 missions in groups of 4-6 Yaks in the Káloz, Pály, Dég, Enying area. Missions: 11.00-13.00, 15.00-16.30 local
659 IAP: 35 missions in groups of 4-6 Yaks, escorting A-20 Bostons of 244 BAD in the city of Székesfehérvár area.
866 IAP: 50 missions in groups of 4-6 Yaks in the Káloz, Pály, Dég, Enying area. Missions: 8:00-10.00, 13.00-15.00, 16.30-17.30 local
897 IAP: 20 missions in groups of (4)-6 Yaks, escorting A-20 Bostons of 244 BAD in the city of Székesfehérvár area.

The escorted 244 BAD bomber regiments (260, 449, 861 BAP) did not report fighter attack.

Gabor