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KuK Flying Boat Photos

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Excellent find Clint

I agree with the Lohner M-type E18 and E20 identification.
However, with regard to UFAG W 13 I prefer Hansa-Brandenburg W 13 (UFAG) myself.... :)
The double is actually of K307

I also wonder from where the seller gets Albatros sS4? I have never seen a photo of one, and no markings visible on the actual photo either. The flip side has nothing to say. Any good pointer?

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hi Stig,

The purported photo of an Albatros sS4 does resemble another photo I've seen of the type.

As for the correct designation of the W.13. I've in effect gone with the designation as used in Peter Schupita's Die k.u.k. Seeflieger, though at the end of the day either UFAG W.13 or Albatros (UFAG) W.13, it's a W.13. Not having a reference dedicated to the W.13, I can't add much but would say the immediately preceding Brandenburg built batch K.320 to K.364 are identical according to dimensions ,performance etc, though K.305 to K.309 differ.

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Thanks Clint

I have really nothing to say regarding these Albatros training flying boats.
Located a photo (small and rather bad) of the sS3 where the serial shows off much better than the aircraft.
The photo on e-bay is perhaps before delivery to KuK Seeflieger?

With regard to the W.13, I go by the details provided by Reinhard Keimel who explicitly state the type was developed by Ing. Weichmann (with help from Ernst Heinkel) who worked for Hansa-Brandenburg at the time. UFAG and Phönix then built the type under licence.

The design - production of flying boats for the Austria-Hungarian Navy is complex and I have not worked out yet how to file all the data. It is not made any easier with designers going back and forth between the companies and basically designing the same aircraft all over again....

It is of course up to every individual how they want to file photos and data, but I prefer to keep things under the original company, even when designs have been sold and not only been built under licence. There are exceptions, one good one which comes to mind is the De Havilland 125 which I file under Hawker Siddely....

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hi Stig,

I file my KuK navy machines on excel with the serial down the left hand side then manufacturer and then type name. The Schupita work was the first I owned covering all KuK naval aircraft, so necessarily very influential. Still given Reinhard Keimel's reputation, no doubt if I'd read that work I'd have used his system as the basis. Its just that to my mind Albatros (UFAG) W.13 looks too much like an airforce type designation.

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Well Clint

I guess that is one way of doing it, but how do you file your photos?
The same way?
What happens if you want to keep a photo where no serial is visible?

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hi

In terms of the Kuk naval aircraft yes. They are all on word docs beginning with the aircraft with no serial prefix, onto those with an A serial prefix, E prefix etc and finally to T. It seems to work.

Its primarily serial numbers that interest me, so unless I think a later id is possible or beute machines, I tend not to save machines without serial number.

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Nice if it works for you Clint

It wouldn't for me.... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

An Additional photo today of Lohner E 33 at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-K-u-k-S...gAAOSwgFpd6QFH

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Nice one Clint

Photo dates from ca 1916 (when the postcard was issued) and not 1918 when said card was stamped

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello

Today there is a nice photo of Lohner L 47 at:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lot-13-WW...gAAOSw7xZeN3fm

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Further photos of KuK flying boats today on ebay at:

1.https://www.ebay.de/itm/C71-Ufag-Flu...kAAOSweaBeU9oc

2.https://www.ebay.de/itm/C65-22-4-191...gAAOSw8V9eU9OU

3.https://www.ebay.de/itm/C78-Donnet-L...EAAOSw6PpeU98Q

4.https://www.ebay.de/itm/C68-Seeflieg...YAAOSwLDBeU9aJ

1. K 210 UFAG Brandenburg
2. L 98 Lohner Tl
3. 10 Donnet Leveque
4. L 45 Lohner L

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Further KuK flying boats at:

Lohner Tl L 52

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-MARINE-PHOTO-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-LOHNER-TL-52-10x8CM/293508325457?hash=item445675a051:g:YtcAAOSwoQleaiw W

Lohner Tl L 58

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-MARINE-PHOTO-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-LOHNER-TL-58-12x9CM/293508328396?hash=item445675abcc:g:pwYAAOSwFAteaiy q

Lohner L L 46

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO-AK-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-LOHNER-L46-13x9CM-SMS-MAGNET/293508263720?hash=item445674af28:g:4XYAAOSw-AFeahv9

UFAG Te L 64

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-MARINE-PHOTO-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-LOHNER-TL-64-10x7CM/293508324388?hash=item4456759c24:g:M3UAAOSwd0Jeaiv S

UFAG Tl L 131 & UFAG Brandenburg K 183

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-K-183-L131-KUMBOR-CATTARO-1917-12x9CM/293508270737?hash=item445674ca91:g:qMAAAOSw3Fleah4 H

Brandenburg W.13 K 230 & Brandenburg W.18 A 59

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-BRANDENBURG-BR-W13-K230-A59-12x9CM/293508269124?hash=item445674c444:g:v1MAAOSwym1eah2 f

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Donnet Leveque flying boats at:

Lohner No. V and Donnet Leveque No.8

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO-AK-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-LOHNER-V-DONNET-LEVEQUE-1913-14x9CM/293508277501?hash=item445674e4fd:g:y20AAOSw-Fpeah7q

Donnet Leveque No.11

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO-AK-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-HYDROPLAN-11-DONNET-LEVEQUE-13x9CM/293506872130?hash=item44565f7342:g:bvgAAOSwoGdeaJp M

Donnet Leveque No.12

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO-AK-KuK-1WK-FLUGZEUG-FLUGBOOT-HYDROPLAN-12-DONNET-LEVEQUE-13x9CM/293507491228?hash=item445668e59c:g:tgYAAOSw8gBeaT-g

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO...QAAOSw-wVeaUEu

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

This eveing on ebay Oeffag G 6 at :

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Portrait-kuk...MAAOSw7BBefKps

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

On 02.4.20 some more KuK flying boats can be seen at:

L 75 Lohner Te

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO...EAAOSwD89egLjW

and:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO...gAAOSw6BpegLqR

L 77 Lohner Te

https://www.ebay.de/itm/SELTEN-PHOTO...sAAOSwUi5egLro

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Today there is a photo of Lohner R 25 on ebay at:

https://www.ebay.it/itm/GRANDE-FOTO-...gAAOSw~ShcmzbO

I'm unsure whether this is original or not as the image does appear elsewhere on the net, for example:

elhangardeyurigagarin.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/lohner-una-hidrocanoa-que-hizo-historia/

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

On 27.04.20 more KuK Seaplanes as follows:

I Arsenal Seaplane

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N18-gr-Foto-...0AAOSw709elt5w

Ufag W.13 K 405 in US service

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N31-Kampfflu...gAAOSwIlBemUag

Lohner Te L 87

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N26-Flugboot...YAAOSw76hemUJf

Lohner R.38

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N20-Aufklaru...AAAOSw709emTam

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Four more KuK flying boats on 27.04.20 as follows:

A 24 Brandenburg C.C

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N6-Abwehr-Fl...4AAOSwx7helswi

A 29 Brandenburg C.C

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N5-Abwehr-Fl...8AAOSw2uhelsuE

A 82 Brandenburg W.18

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N11-Abwehr-F...QAAOSw4rZeltCO

K 375 Ufag W.13
https://www.ebay.de/itm/N44-Kampfflu...4AAOSwnexemWJE

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Another four KuK flying boats on 27.04.20 as follows:

A 22 Brandenburg C.C.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N2-Flugboot-...cAAOSwIWxelsmk

K 151 Albatros Weichmann

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N30-Albatros...gAAOSwPf1emUSj

L 40 Lohner L

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N22-Flugboot...wAAOSwMWdemTrR

L 101 Ufag Tl

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N28-Flugboot...YAAOSw1LdemUOH

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

On 27.04.20 another four KuK flying boats as follows:

A 38 Hansa Brandenburg C.C.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N9-Abwehr-Fl...QAAOSwBYtels3~

E 35 Lohner

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N33-Flugboot...MAAOSwrohemUyu

K 392 Ufag W.13

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N45-Kampfflu...YAAOSwIM5emWLS

S 29 Lohner

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N15-Schul-Fl...8AAOSweIVeltvr

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

27.04.20 four more KuK flying boats as follows:

A 91 Hansa Brandenburg W.18

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N10-Seeflieg...sAAOSwd1Jels-o

L 16 Lohner M

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N21-gr-Foto-...sAAOSwavpemTph

L 58 Lohner L

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N23-Flugboot...EAAOSwOmBemTxD

L 91 UFAG/Lohner Tl

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N27-Flugboot...AAAOSwFqZemULR

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

On 27.04.20 four more KuK Flying boats as follows:

II Farman

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N17-Seeflugz...8AAOSwnexelt3V

A 45 Hansa Brandenburg Dreidecker

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N8-Abwehr-Fl...QAAOSwme5els0U

K 167 UFAG Weichmann

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N38-Kampfflu...QAAOSweZ9emVo4

K 230 UFAG Brandenburg

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N41-Kampfflu...wAAOSwme5emV3B

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

27.04.20 and just for a change two more KuK flying boats as follows:

A 24 Brandenburg C.C.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N7-Abwehr-Fl...AAAOSwgQlels2E

K 308 Hansa-Brandenburg W.13

https://www.ebay.de/itm/N43-Kampfflu...4AAOSws~NemWBH

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

A friend pointed to this part of the forum and wow!

Keep the good work Clint!

Boris

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Thanks Boris

That means a lot.

May I say in return how much I enjoyed the Seaplanes of Bocche.

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Boris

Any idea whose collection is being sold out?

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hi Stig,

I don't know. Maybe from Reinhard Masajdek, although I heard that his whole lot was sold for quite a lot to a wealthy collector.

Boris

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Thanks Boris

So nothing from your neck of the woods then.
Clint seems to think there are at least two collections being sold. I am not so sure, perhaps instead more than one seller.

Oh well, I am not buying anyway....just curious.... :)

Take care Boris and stay away from coughing clients!!

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

On 10.05.20 currently available on ebay three more KuK flying boat photos as follows:

E 17 Lohner

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Portrait-kuk...gAAOSwkidet97Z

K 165 UFAG Weichmann

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Portrait-kuk...4AAOSwwgVet-Qi

K 307 Brandenburg W.13

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Portrait-kuk...sAAOSwEEtet-BF

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hello,

Currently on ebay are four photos of KuK flying boats at:

https://www.ebay.it/itm/SET-OF-FOUR-...MAAOSwWcBevFct

One is Lohner E 33, Would anyone care to opine on the serial shown on the machine in the top right corner?

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Clint

I would say it is Lohner type M serial E19

Cheers
Stig

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Hi Stig,

Thanks, I'll go with that, particularly as E 19 is not a machine I'd previously seen.

Regards,

Clint

Re: KuK Flying Boat Photos

Even better then.... :)

Cheers
Stig