Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a series of captured and/or damaged RDC aircraft as follows:


1.https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Frankre...UAAOSwSA5eNrDR


2.https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flieger...AAAOSwqvxeNohh


3.https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flieger...UAAOSwxGheNoez


4.https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flieger...QAAOSwsB9eNodR


1. RAF BE 2c 1725 of 8sq recorded as shot down or forced to land,perhaps?
2. RAF RE 8 B2293 of 52 Sq.
3. RAF BE 12 of 19 Sq.
4. RAF BE 2c of 8 Sq



Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Another RFC aircraft in German hands, RAF Fe 2b A857 of 22 Sq at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftfotos-1-...AAAOSwlTFeP~JR


also a destroyed SE 5a based on the part of the serial that can be seen either B167 of 24 Sq or B169 of 84 Sq.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo FE 2d?
 

Hello,


A nice photo of a british machine at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-XL-WK2-...oAAOSwvgheVSmQ


Can anyone assist with the identity. I'm tempted to say RAF FE 2d, Possibly serial A5, but I'm not certain.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Clint

You are ever so right. Aircraft in question is indeed the FE.2d A5 which was lost during its transit flight to St Omer 1 June 1916.

Not very funny for its crew.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Thanks for the confirmation Stig,


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Another FE 2b in German hands 6341 of 25 Squadron at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/AK-WK-1-Engl...gAAOSwC9ReYTk5


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Nice Clint

Duncan Grinnell-Milne's aircraft.
I am sure he listened to the wind in the wires all the way down to landing....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Today there is a photo of an Airco DH.4 in German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...cAAOSwTAheZ7vx


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Since posting the last link to the Airco DH.4, I have received a copy of Les Rogers British Aviation Squadron Markings of World War I. On P.25 there are two photos of A2170, also a DH.4, of 25 Squadron with the drunken crescent moon image shown on the aircraft above, so perhaps it too is a 25 Squadron machine?


One of the photos can be seen here:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/drakegoodman/32292916315




Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Yes Clint

Must be No 25 Sq.
Looks like A76xx to me. If so there are four possible aircraft
A7664 missing 27 Mar 1918
A7670 missing 27 June 1918
A7680 missing 5 Feb 1918
A7697 missing 26.2.1918

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay BE 2b of 4 Squadron reported missing 11.03.15 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-WK-Englisc...4AAOSwipleelHg


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a photo of Vickers FB.5 5074 of 11 Sq in German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/ALTES-FOTO-M...sAAOSws4Feh0C7


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a photo of FE 2b A5695 of 100 Squadron:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/205-Foto-15-...gAAOSw4i5ekfG6


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of F.E.2b A586 of 101 Squadron after capture at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/i121-German...oAAOSwgGZcBD1h


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Looks pretty undamaged to me

Since A856 was lost on a night raid 21.9.1917, I suppose either the engine gave up or the aircrew lost their bearings and landed inside enemy territory.

Is the prop gone or is it just alined horizontally?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of a Sopwith Triplane in German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...kAAOSwxy5evWUn


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a very nice and at least to me previously unknown photo of Spad S.VII B1588 formerly of 19 Squadron at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Foto-Beut...kAAOSwF4Ne4MGk


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Short Seaplane surrounded by German and Ottoman personel at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Portrait-Bay...gAAOSwvCRe-LXM


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Very nice shot Clint

This is 8372 shot down 2 Dec 1916 by AA-fire, crew POW

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of RFC aircraft in German hands at:


Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.2b 5206 of 20 Squadron



https://www.ebay.com/itm/RPPC-Early-...oAAOSwQtZfHgKC


Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.8 A4925 of 41 Squadron


https://www.ebay.com/itm/RPPC-Early-...AAAOSwktNfHgFj




Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.8 A4874 of 40 Squadron



https://www.ebay.com/itm/i116-German...IAAOSwyApcBD0v



Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hi Clint

This is not A4874. There were two aircraft with the code 4 from 40Sq shot down on the same date, 9 March 1917. This is the second one 6456.

B Rgds
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the correction. Careless of me. I see that the style of 4 is completely different between the two machines.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Indeed Clint

Two different flights.
A-flight used red digits (outlined in white)
B-flight used white digits
C-flight used blue digits (also outlined in white)

Which is which on the photos? Even though I have many photos of each aircraft, the light varies and I don't know the shade of blue and red, so I leave it at that.... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a captured Sopwith Camel of 45 Squadron ? at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/z23-Belgien-...cAAOSwnKtfOinJ



Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a captured Airco DH.9 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/original-Fot...sAAOSwYX9ft-pF


It appears to be C2183 of 107 Squadron as seen also here:


http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/produ...tid=3105&cat=1


and identified by Stig on the Airco thread.




Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay isa photo of Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.12 serial 6547 ex Special Duties Flight in German markings at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Doppeld...QAAOSw8qVfyQwZ




Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Vickers F.B.5 surrounded by German troops at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Soldat-...MAAOSwOghf4QR0


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Sopwith F.1 Camel B5160 of 3 Squadron RFC in German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/AK-Militar-W...YAAOSwTzpf51kQ


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Thanks Clint ! According to the very good book The Sky Their Battlefield II page 129 we have on 06/11/1917 2lt RC Taylor of n°3 squadron lost in clouds flight landing at Sedan ; he left but driven east by wind came down (again) to land near Namur ; then re-took off to fly west but travelled south until finally driven down by weather and no oil.

No place is given.

Bertrand

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello Bertrand,


Thanks for the reply. Glad the new purchase is proving useful.:)


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is what is stated to be a Flieger Nachlass. Possibly. However most of the photos have been seen before. I have posted it here as at least Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.2b 7669 of 100 Squadron was new to me and along with the well known photo of F.E.2b 5206 of 20 Squadron shows a captured machine. No doubt, 7669 has also been seen be board users more familiar with the RFC than myself. Here are the photos:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotos-Fliege...UAAOSwMlNgBdSl


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a rather lovely photo of a Captured Short Type 184 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/154574227170...QAAOSwYjJhHNcT


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Sopwith Camel in German markings at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/144268459461...4AAOSwwpZhfMqw


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Airco DH.4 A2170 after falling into German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/203694399143...cAAOSwPt9hjRIi


I posted an image of this machine in post 8 of this thread. Hopefully this is not a duplicate.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo album,which tbh,contains many familiar images. However,there is an interesting photo of a Bristol Fighter,which,if German ,is unusual. Its at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/363622534505...Bk9SR_qjpJmlXw


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Clint the F2B is almost certainly from 62 Sqn. the front 2 bars have been painted out, they also put the aircraft letter on the nose ( another captured one was C4630 "J" ).


Nick

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Hi Nick,


Thanks for the id on the Bristol Fighter. I rather wonder if it is not shown part way through a repaint job by its captors.A roundel can be seen on the wing,but at least in,the admittedly few, 62 Squadron F.2b photos I've seen none have the broad white band on the fuselage.Awaiting application of a cross perhaps? Have you seen the Air Britain work referenced by Andy Ma,in the Bristol MR.1 thread? Any 62 Squadron Bristol Fighters with a broad fuselage band?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

I agree with Nick

Looks very much like a 62 Sq aircraft.
According to Les Rogers their particular three stripe markings were discontinued in late March 1918, so this aircraft may have been lost behind German lines between Jan - March.

No 62 Sq had two disastrous days in March, the 12th and 13th, when they lost six aircraft.

Unfortunately none of these aircraft are listed in the Bristol book with a code letter, but one of these six aircraft feels quite likely to be it.

No 62 Sq had some more combat losses before April and that was on the 24th, 27th and 28th of March, but none of them seems to have ended up behind enemy lines.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Thanks Stig.
Of the 6 lost on 12th / 13th , 5 were brought down intact; but letters apparently not recorded...
B1250, B1251, C4824, B1207, B1268.
C4630 "J" I mentioned was captured 19/5/18 but after squadron markings were discontinued. Usually--but not always---the crosses were marked on a white background.
These are interesting notes on 62 Sqn. losses etc...
Nick


http://www.apw.airwar1.org.uk/62%20s...ses%201918.htm


http://www.apw.airwar1.org.uk/62%20s...rew%201918.htm

Re: Captured British Aircraft
 

Thanks Nick

An amazing amount of data on the 'net.
Guess I am old fashioned (old dog) I prefer using books....

Cheers
Stig