Sqd Leader Joll 604 Sqd
 

Looking for information on a HE111 shot down by SQD Joll 604 squadron over Holton Heath 6/7 June 41. Many thanks. Nigel

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He was a Fg Off at the time and his claim was for a damaged. However, only one combat resulted in any damage that night (his) and a Ju 88 A-5, Wk Nr 0334 coded V4+MN of 5./KG 1 flown by Fw Ewald Baranowski failed to return, apparently coming down off Portland. It is therefore assumed that Joll got this aircraft

Thanks Chris, that first class information. Watch this space for a little more about Joll's claims. He has seven, four destroyed and two damaged. I have a lot on the Chawleigh claim including the names of the crew where they are buried etc. Even have a photo of one of them. That was 6 May 41

The 5th July Claim three crew bailed out POW one killed buried in Exeter. Crashed near the Red Dear in Oakford. Will be looking for more information on his other two claims. I was lucky enough to get his medals and log books plus the log books of his wireless app Dalton so much to do. Hoping to do a book about 604 withRichard Black of London Medal. Really good chap.

Once again thanks for taking the time and trouble. Nigel

Cant reply fully until I'm moderated bt many thanks for taking the time and trouble. Nigel

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Nigel: As a former Honorary Member of 604 Sqn, I have quite a bit on the Sqn and met Dalton a number of times. I have copies of all combat reports as well so for him:


10 May 40 Ju 52

10 Oct 40 He 111 damaged (?)

1-2 May 41 He 111 damaged
5-6 May 41 Ju 88 destroyed
6-7 Jun 41 He 111 damaged
8-9 Jun 41 He 111 damaged
4-5 Jul 41 He 111 destroyed

29 Sep 43 Do 217 destroyed


As to a book on 604, that has already been done:


'If You Want Peace Prepare for War" by Ian White 2005

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I have both Joll's and Daltons log books which make splendid reading. I'm a drama writer mostly but writing about WW1 and 2 gets me away from the luvies lol. Joll made a claim "damaged" on 10 October 40, his only B of B claim. Where would I look for more info, like to find out more? It was a HE111 by all accounts. He was flying with 604 from Middle Wallop. he was with B flight with Cunningham. Thats all I know at mo. Cant wait to get moderated enjoying this forum.

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Hi Chris,
I hope that you're well.
Do you have a photograph of A C MacLaren who flew with them during the Battle.
I have been after one of him for years to give to the family of his Air Gunner A C Metcalfe.
Regards
Gerry

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Gerry: Not a very photogenic Sqn I am afraid and photos from the BofB are even rarer

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The National Archives have Squadrons' Operations Record Books online (you can preview them free and download a given month for a small charge — or do it free if you go there). There may also be a night fighter sortie report in series AIR 50, from memory those aren't online

The Heinkel should show up in National Archives file AIR40/45, reports on crashed enemy aircraft. (Not available online) or maybe in the book "The Blitz Then and Now Vol. 3"

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The first two destroyed are easy:


6 May 41, 0026 hrs, Chawleigh=4./KG 54 at Chawleigh 0030 hrs

5 Jul 41, 0339 hrs, Oakford=8./KG 4 at Oakfordbridge, 0340 hrs


22 Sep 43, North Sea, 0113 hrs is harder as the only loss came down on land as a result of being dazzled by searchlights. However, a Do 217 of I./KG 2 was damaged by a night fighter off the Humber and returned to Schiphol. No other night fighter claims that night so likely he over claimed.


As to damaged:


1 May 41, 2300 hrs, over land. 219 Sqn claimed two south of Shoreham. Only two He 111 lost that night, none on land. They were badly damaged by return fire but I can see no record of any aircraft returning damaged, having been attacked by a night fighter or having damaged a night fighter



9 Jun 41, 0020 hrs, over coast. Nothing that would match albeit combat report stated an aircraft crashed 2 miles south of Botley (nothing listed)

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Anything for the 4/5 July maybe a He111near Bampton ?

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I included that!!?

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I'll go through his log books see what he reported. Thanks again for taking so much time to help. Nigel

1st May says N Swindon, He111. So i am guessing that's north of or Near Swindon.
9th June says nr Hamble Damaged
Finally 10 October 40 He111 Damaged
There is a painting of this action Nigel PS I really owe you a pint

Found a witness statement regarding the 9th June. German Plane was seen to crash into Pool harbour. Joll at first claimed damaged but this was later ungraded to a destroyed after witnesses saw it crash into the harbour

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Hello Nigel,

Would you have onto S/L Joll's Memorablia (or Logbooks) entries or pictures of the then Flight Lieutenant Cosme Lockwood Gomm (RAFO 34123)? Gomm is a Brazilian born airman and probably our greatest heroes of all times...

Adriano Silva Baumgartner, ASV 00.344 (Gomm's biographer - one of many)

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Hi Chris,
I've seen a few but like you say they are rare.
Rehards.
Gerry

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If it had crashed into Poole Harbour, wreckage & bodies would have been found which they were not

Given the amount of material we have going ahead with the new 604 book. Dozens of pics, albums, log books diaries. Has to be worth a go.

Adriano Baumgartner. I will certainly look for you happy to. Nigel

Sorry just had another look. It says "Off Pool Harbour" not in it.

The Pool claim was a JU88 of 5/KG1 if tat helps

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That is what I said in my post No.2 and note it is Poole! However, I have done some digging on your behalf. II./KG 1 was briefed to attack a convoy in the Channel and one aircraft was lost so it cannot have been that attacked by Joll or crashed off Poole. However, a lone He 111 of III./KG 26 attacked Salisbury at 0025 hrs but did not observe the results as it was attacked by a night fighter. Note the time and that Joll's attack was 0024 hrs. So Joll did not shoot down the Ju 88 (his identification was spot on) and the He 111 returned undamaged. We can say with some certainty that his score is now two destroyed, five damaged, one destroyed on the ground

Good luck with the book (it would appeal to the members of the 604 Sqn Association but that folded many moons ago as nobody was left) but I suggest you look at the Ian White book first. Sqn histories are a difficult book to write nowadays when Sqn members are no longer with us; I was lucky writing mine 20+ years ago.

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