Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Aviation-pho...oAAOSwl0xed26G


is a Morane Saulnier having adopted a novel approach to landing.Can anyone identify the type shown?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Clint

This is a Morane-Saulnier MS 35. Photo taken post 1923 after the introduction of the under wing "buzz numbers"

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the ID.


On the subject of the MS.35, do you have a copy of Icare's Les Rois du Parasol? If so there's a follow up question I have about impressments on P.127.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Sorry Clint

I have very few Icare. They take up such a huge volume of space and contain so much useless pages that I decided a long time ago to drop them.

By now space is a very premium issue at my place....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a photo of a Morane Saulnier LA at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Jagd-Fl...gAAOSwdIVecfvx


Stig provides the following info:


Well I suppose it is a type LA and the unit is deff MS 31 (the Greek Archer symbol)
It was actually made into a Sanke card already during WW 1. As is almost the case the correct SFA number is blanked out by the flag on the fin, but since it is a very early photo (1915?) I would guess it is MS 90-99. I don't believe they kept the LA production going all the way to 900....


Thanks Stig.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a photo of a Morane Saulnier Type H at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/oversized...gAAOSwRaRZqHG8


I assume given the price it is original!


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are:


A Morane Saulnier Type L at



https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Aviation-pho...UAAOSwc6deiizg


and a Morane Saulnier Type AC at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Aviation-pho...wAAOSwVqpeii--


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Clint

The type L is actually a type LA (check the slab sided L vs the more rounded fuselage of the LA)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the heads up. Which really is pretty obvious. I think I'll stick to posting stuff I'm actually interested in from here on, rather than what i think might interest others, but I'm too lazy to check!


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hey Clint

I think you are doing great. There are moments when we all rely on what the seller says, no big deal as I see it

Wish you would go on posting all sorts of pics from this interesting period in aviation history. As I see it you are a master in finding both great and interesting photos. No idea how you do it. I just never find anything... :o

Please keep it up!!

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello Stig,


Kind of you to say so, but I was getting a bit worried about my quality control, which I wouldn't like to see slip any further. Not just the french aircraft and after all I have a copy of Davilla and Soltan's French Aircraft of World War One, so I could have looked up the Morane Salnier LA.


Also I find myself quite annoyed that I posted the links to the Halberstadt C.III and Albatros D.XII as the pictures were well known and could be found just using a google image search. Annoying. I , at least need to take more time before posting. But once again thanks anyway for the kind words.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi,

# 5 : This a/c is the Morane Parasol n°937 of N31 lost on 10 july 1917. MdL C. Gauthier and Sdt A. Denis were POW. At this time N31 just arrived at the A/F of Coudekerque-Branche (Dunkerque). French Air Service War Chronology 1914-1918 by Bailey/Cony gives that they have been shot down by Vfw G. Strasser of JAsta 17 posted at Ghistelle (OStende, Belgique).

Bertrand

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

That was interesting Bertrand

I wasn't aware Type LA was in use as late as that.
Thanks for the update

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a further photo of a Morane Saulnier LA? at :


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Aviation-pho...0AAOSwS~RelFys


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of Morane Saulnier Type N MS.394 at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/photo-franca...IAAOSwMmpew3cm


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Thanks for this

Same photo are in the files of Service Historique de la Défense (SHD) under ref B87.1147 or B86.4258

Nevertheless the name of Boutiny is not in the caption

Read Jules, Marie, Georges de Boutiny born 1886

Posted to 48, 23 and 49 where injured on 11/1916

Bertrand

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Bertrand,


Thanks. I suspect based on a couple of postings I've made recently that MS.394 is probably also shown on albindenis. So perhaps I should now check there.Have you the Escadrille? I've checked MS 48 and no photo there of this machine.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello Bertrand,


In my search for MS.934 I've come across various modelling links suggesting the aircraft possibly served with MS 12. Was de Boutiny just visiting then perhaps?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Bertrand

I admit I am not into pilots as such, but there is another photo of this Gentleman, which I take is a close up of him sitting in the same type N, here:

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Vue-aerienne....c100010.m2109

As you can see he is called Louis de Boutigny
Is there any possibillity we are talking about a different pilot?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on Delcampe is a nice photo of Morane Saulnier Type L No.118 at:



https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlero...664710910.html



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on Delcampe is a Morane Saulnier floatplane in Russian service at:


https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlero...928478449.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Also on Delcampe is another Morane Saulnier Type L MS.66 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlero...368456701.html



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Indeed, quite rare

Type Bi (or BI or bI, take your pick...)
Three exported in 1913. Don't think any Russian production came along.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for that as I was no pun intended all at see over that one, to the degree I wasn't even certain it was a MS design. So good to have confirmation. A pity the Russians didn't do serials (or did they?)



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Russia?

If 100% of the Tsar documents had survived, I might have had a clue Clint.
As it is right now, I don't know.
It seems both the Army and Navy had some kind of record system, and now and then you can see it on the aircraft.
Unfortunately visible signs are very rare so you have to rely on the source and accept they "know"

There is a quite good four volume series of Camo and Markings published, but I have not tried to do anything "useful" with the info yet....too busy covering your tracks.... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


Yes, I've seen the four volume series advertised. It would be interesting to know if there's a serial system. Perhaps I should slow up :)



The thing is having just discovered delcampe I know I've only scratched the surface of whats on there, albeit most of the good stuff seems to cover french aircraft. Waiting for various deliveries today I've spent practically all day today on that one site and feel more knackered than I remember work feeling and that could be pretty hectic. Better pace myself I think. Definitely a day out tomorrow weather permitting.That should allow you time to translate all four volumes :) Well ok three then.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on Delcampe there is a photo of Morane Saulnier AI MS.1543 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlero...882293044.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Morane Saulnier Type L of the Imperial Russian Air Service at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/RPPC-Postca...kAAOSwGhpe4Uwb


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is an unusual Morane Saulnier serial MS.100 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...775482317.html



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Morane Saulnier Type P captioned as MS.1096 by the seller at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOTO-Pos...oAAOSw-VBfAeCd


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a rare Morane Saulnier aircraft, I believe it is an early form of the Morane Saulnier AN at :


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Biplan-MORAN...4AAOSwxRpfA1gX


It somewhat resembles the Morane Saulnier ANB, but the wing mounted radiators on the macchine in the link are distinctive. Can anyone definitively identify the aircraft shown as the early AN?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello Clint

Yes, it’s the early Morane AN. Low drag and good visibility were not in the specifications... 1917 seems however too early. Interesting photo, indeed.

Regards
Jean

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Jean,


Davilla and Soltan have construction starting in Jan 1918 and evaluation at the STAe from 27 October of that year,so 1917 definitely too early. Is the serial number of the machine known at all?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello Clint

October 27 is also given by Albert Eteve (la victoire des cocardes, 1970). For the serial number further research is needed, but hope is little. I put that on my list for the reopening of our local aviation library here in Lyon, closed for summer holidays and flying diseases.

Regards
Jean

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently available on ebay is a nice photo of a Morane Saulnier Type N at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-franca...kAAOSwuh5fGNYU


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Morane Saulnier Type L serial MS.87(?) at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/early-Frenc...wAAOSwaWtcyeN3


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe are two photos of Morane Saulnier aircraft as follows:


Morane Saulnier Type LA MS.954


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...117331372.html


Morane Saulnier Type AC MS.8**



https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...117325813.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos showing a flight line of various Morane Saulnier aircraft of 3 squadron RFC at;


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-Real-...wAAOSwi2Rf3MYc


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently onebay is a photo of the Morane Saulnier Type X, or so I believe at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/retirage-avi...MAAOSwlvpf6MgB


Although the photo is marked as a reprint, a photo of the Type X was new to me, if that is what is shown. It looks like Type X is written on the rudder.However, the aircraft looks very like the Type S, but with different engines, possibly 300 hp Panhard as mentioned by Davilla and Soltan. The serial of the Type S was MS.625, whereas to me the last number on the rudder does not appear to be a 5, but possibly and 8 or 9.So is this photo already well known and if so, what is the full serial?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Clint

If you look again you will see the same 'photo shoot' is in Soltan-Davilla's book under type S. They claim only one was built (this one) and from other photos taken from the other side, yes it is No 625.

However I agree with you, it seems very much to say Type X on the rudder (none of the other photos I have seen from the photo shoot show that!).

Checking what the French expertise has written about it, the latest info I have is that all of a sudden two MS Type S were built and MS 625 was in fact the second one. All sources however agree, the Type X was not built!

With a little figment of imagination, could the second MS Type S have been modified as Type X and that is what we are looking at?

Cheers
Stig