Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hi guys

I have a note that nine Russian TRLS-IV (mobile?) radars were operating in the Murmansk area in 1941-42.

Any information appreciated.

Cheers
Brian

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hi Brian,


The Russians did field some of their own radars but my studies show the majority were provided via Lend-Lease and of those, some may have been modified or simply renamed. Can I ask you what the source is for this designation?


Best,
Ed

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hi Ed

I've sent you a PM.

Cheers
Brian

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Message received.


Ed

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hello,
there are references that at the beginning of the War (June 1941) in the North there were nine stations RUS-1 " Reven' " (Rhubarb) out of 45 production total. There are also references that in 1941-1942 engineer A.N.Volzhin, who served the RUS-2 station in Murmansk, used parts of the English SON-2 and wires from the downed Ju-88, created the "Rosa" station, which, due to its favorable position, found targets 160 km above land and sea.

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

As I understand Russian radar capabilities during this time period, any land radars were used for warning only. They could not give the altitude of the incoming aircraft. They were not mobile. It would make sense to deploy a number around Murmansk. However, the designation appears to be an acronym. The Son-2a was a copy of one of the first British radars to reach Russia.

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Thanks guys

Most interesting. On Wikipedia site 'Radar in World War II' under Soviet Union heading is reference to early radar, which confirms your comments. Great stuff.

Two pictures attached to the piece suggest RUS-1 and RUS-2 were encased within trucks - were these not mobile?

Although RUS-1 was apparently deemed ineffective, was it able to detect aircraft?

Do we know which vessel delivered the GL Mark II set to Murmansk, and the date of arrival - sometime in January 1942?

I've read somewhere that the set was 'removed' clandestinely without British permission - any additional information, please?

Keep it coming!

Cheers
Brian

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hello,
RLS <Reven'> adopted in 1939 as RUS-1 (Radio Ulavlivatel' Samoletov 1th) - In a set 1 installation of radiation and up to two-three installations of catching (all on the GAZ-AAA type car). Spaced group (2 receiver and 1 transmitter) created a band along the front of 70 km and a height of 12 km, at the intersection by which aircraft detected.

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hi Brian,


Yes, Rus I was set up in two or three trucks (depending on the source). But there was 35 kilometers between the sender and receiver(s). Triangulation was used to get the direction. After that, ground observers and sound locators were used. I suggest looking up these two men: Viktor Tikhomirov and Mikael A. Bonch-Bruevich. Both were involved in Russian radar development.


Ed

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Hello

You will find a long article on Russian radar developments before and during WW2 here :
https://www.ursi.org/content/RSB/RSB_358_2016_09.pdf
Best regards
J Schreiber

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

RLS <Redut> adopted in 1940 as RUS-2 (Radio Ulavlivatel' Samoletov 2) - In a set 1 installation of radiation (ZIS-6 type car), 1 installations of catching (GAZ-AAA type car) and 1 electric power (GAZ-AAA type car). spaced receiver and transmitter on 300 m. Aircraft detected on 50-100 km in sector 120 grad.

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

RLS <Pegmatite> adopted in 1941-1942 as RUS-2s (Radio Ulavlivatel' Samoletov 2 statsionarny), or P-2M, or "single-antenna RUS-2"
It's single-antenna version of the RUS-2 with a combined receiver-transmitter.
stationary option RUS-2s - 01.1942 (transported in packing crates by any transport). In April 1942 - P-2M station (was modernized). At the end of 1941, the automobile version was also adopted (1 car with a transmitter-receiver and 1 car with power supply).
At the end of 1943, several options were tested and adopted with additional equipment for determining the altitude of the target.

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Thank you very much for posting this. I was unaware of French radar developments and particularly enjoyed the information about Hungarian work. The radar developments in the USSR, while covered in some depth, still left me feeling like some connections were missing.


Best,
Ed

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Another detailled article about Soviet radar development is
A Brief History of Radar in the Soviet Union and Russia by V.S. Chernyak and
I. Ya. Immoreev published in IEEE A&E SYSTEMS MAGAZINE, SEPTEMBER 2009.

Download from

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/st...number=5282288

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

A long-standing book, subjective with many stereotypes of the 1960-1970s, but in the part of the Russian school of radar, it is very interesting.
http://hist.rloc.ru/startup-radars/index.htm
Best regards,
Kirill

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

Hi guys

Many thanks for your most valuable and informative contributions.

I'm still endeavouring to establish the date of arrival at Murmansk of the first British GL Mark II - sometime in early 1942 (?) and the name of the merchant ship that conveyed it.

Hopefully one of our experts can advise me.

Cheers - and stay safe.

Brian

Re: Russian radars Far North 1941-42
 

I found a couple of Russian sites which discuss the Convoys. Using Google Chome allows the choice of an English translation.

https://forum.qrz.ru/55-radiomuzei-i...noy-armii.html

In post 14 of the above is a link to a site which gets into discussing the convoys. The site seems to be gone, but can be found in the Internet Archives:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070406...murm/1942m.htm

If I am reading the pages correctly, it appears that some 61 "Locators GL-2" were sent in 1942. The first 6 arrived in Convoy 13.

Convoy Breakdown (Click on the Convoy number to get the actual ships in the convoy):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic...ld_War_II#1942


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_PQ_13

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There are several mentions in naval ULTRA for March 1945 of possible Russian radars when German warships in the Baltic are told to switch on their monitoring sets to listen out for possible land, ship or airborne radar sourcess. I haven't noticed anything about Arctic waters though.