Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of a Farman F.50 with interesting markings at :


https://www.ebay.it/itm/photo-ww1-pi...sAAOSwxfhed52w


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a nice photo of an Italian Farman MF.11 MF.459 at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WWI-VINTA...kAAOSwzd9cH65-


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Clint

In Italy all these MF.11 were known as MF.14, which must be their way of confusing it with the French Military Type XIV. However that mistake was made already back in the "good-old-days"....:)

It was mostly licence built and to give the seller some credit when he says B-5, the FIAT owned Societa Italiana Aviazione (SIA) called them SIA 5b, so we can easily see where the seller went astray....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the comprehensive info on the varying designations. When it comes to fitting these into a excel sheet I'll probably go with MF.14 as that's the military designation.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay on the first page of a broader photo album largely showing lighter than air craft, Farman MF.14 MF.273 of 10 Squadriglia at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/DIRIGIBILI-A...sAAOSwYcdekKId


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,




Currently on erbay a photo of some french Farman's at :


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/DR066-Photog...AAAOSwO2Bel8DN


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a photo of an Italian Farman MF.1260 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Rara-foto-or...oAAOSw4oJemhbM


Would I be correct in assuming that this is a french Farman serial rather than an italian one?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

I would not bet my head on that Clint.....;)

There were a few companies who shared in the MF production, and they probably painted the serial number a bit differently.
Bottom line, of course, is I don't know.

However I am very, very pleased the Italians painted the serials on the nose and not the rear, as the French did!

Nice catch
Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the response and the help (is this betting of one's head a nordic thing (I'm thinking of Loki from the old religion)?


I was not, and am not at all sure of my ground with the suggestion of a french serial. The only reason I asked was that I'm slowly transposing serials from Roberto Gentilli e Paolo Varriale, I Reparti dell'aviazione italiana nella Grande Guerra into a excel spread sheet and while, I've admittedly still a long way to go I have Caproni Ca.3 as far as 1257 and Nieuport from 1263, so there is a small gap into which 1260 would fit but at the same time even if all the serials between 1257 and 1263 turn out to be Farmans that seems a very small production batch. Still that may well turn out to be the case and hopefully more serials for Farman's between those numbers (and even 1260 itself) appear during my reading.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hmmm

Never thought about that. I suppose it rather comes from the most vulnerable part of your body, your throat. Cut that and it is finito....
Most nations I believe (at least in Europe) went for that when dealing with capital punishment. But I agree there were plenty of other "popular" methods....:mad:

With regard to to Italian serial numbers, I am frightfully short of data, but the little I have at least seems to indicate that the Italians kept the already given numbers from their Allies. I find photos of various Nieuport in Italian service which lack Italian serials but have French SFA numbers on their fins. I thus have no information about re-serialled aircraft. It could of course boil down to far too little data...:o

So, forced to stick my neck out again, I would say the Farman seen here do have an Italian serial number (not an SFA number).

Cheers
Stig

PS. Having rambled the above, I immediately spotted a photo of a Nieuport 27 N7994 carrying an Italian serial Ni.19927, so I guess it is back to the drawing board again...

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Stig,


Just curious really about the bet my head saying, we of course have the same functional equivalent with the use of sticking my neck out, but then we too have a related cultural heritage.


Anyway about 1260, it was a number used for a french MF.11 I would think, I see from http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...ete_Farman.htm 1259 and 1263 were in any event. Still, as you say french machines had the number on the tail, so not I would suppose a french machine operating in Italy, which at one stage crossed my mind as the number as you rightly say is on the body of the aircraft. I tend to agree with you not a SFA number.Hopefully more will emerge...


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of another Italian Farman MF.433 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/regia-aerona...EAAOSwme9epdzx


According to Gentilli and Varriale I Reparti P.55 this aircraft served at one time with 2 Squadriglia.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Amazing such an old aircraft survived in 1923....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Stig,


True and still with a military serial, though I kind of wonder if it wasn't and exhibit or museum piece and not just metaphorically either...


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Along with other aircraft there is currently a photo of a Farman F.40 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Of-5-Vi...oAAOSw6xZeqiac


aircraft from the same unit can be seen here:


https://www.impdb.org/index.php?titl...16#Farman_F.40


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Farman of Esc F 25 at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Plaque-de-ve...4AAOSwCr9equx4


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Asking price 159 Euro!!

No wonder there are no bidders.... :)
Time to open up the old wallet Clint??

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Stig,


What has somewhat surprised me is that the seller of the Fokker D.II photo is offering it for immediate sale for 25 euros and that it hasn't already gone. a relatively rare aircraft, quite a nice photo which shows the serial and of an aircraft from the ever popular German armed forces. Strange.But then you compare that to the Farman with the price asked and where you can't even see the serial, though it does have the unit marking. Bonkers.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

I interpret that as a no thanks....:D

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

No,


I'll let you order two copies to make up for my abstention...;)


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

If so I have to file for a total bankruptcy my friend....:D

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Ah well,


Perhaps you can convince your bank manager of the investment opportunity the D.II photo represents?


I don't think the bank manager would so much be questioning your solvency with the double Farman purchase, more your sanity...

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay some Italian Farmans:


Farman Colombo MF.2651 at :




https://www.ebay.it/itm/Fotografia-o...MAAOSwk2Jcm~Ee




Farman MF.14 MF.817 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Rara-foto-or...YAAOSw-JVcvwRf



and a line up of three MF.14 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-origina...IAAOSw~3tdZoRm


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Clint

Your first find MF.2651 only leads me back to the Voisin you already pointed out for us.

You must have entered the wrong tag

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Thanks Stig,


I've fixed it.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Thanks Clint

Appreciated!! :)

Funny how much more interesting these Italian "nose" shots are, thanks to their habit of putting their IDs up front

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hi Stig,


Yes, it is good to be able to see the serial and the date of October 1917 and the location of San Pietro in Gu appears to permit identification of the unit as 32 Squadriglia. Just wish I was certain.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a destroyed french Farman, possibly MF.11 699 of MF.44 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-PK-WK-I...8AAOSw3RZevn2P


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an Italian Farman MF.7 MF.209 in service with a training unit at Foggia at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Rara-foto-or...cAAOSw6IFewBE8


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of Farman MF.11s against a wintery landscape at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Photo-franca...AAAOSwmQNewJ-z


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a early Farman aircraft of tractor design named by the seller a Short Farman at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EARLY-AIR...0AAOSwRrJexmwP


This one has me stumped.Does anyone know the company designation of this machine and anything of its history?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Clint

It is a design called Farman David (as opposite to the Goliath)
Type number was FF 65 and should not be confused with the F 65 or F 65bis.

I also believe what the flipside is saying is Sport Farman, but that is not easy to interpret with such "p's"

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello
This plane is related to the ace Edmond Pillon, chief pilot by Farman after the war. A lot of informations upon Pillon here (in French), with other photos :
http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...ond_Pillon.htm
Regards
Jean Schreiber

Re: Photo Farman
 

Stig,


Thanks for the initial id, I was looking in totally the wrong area. Perhaps if I'd only read the back more carefully :o Just after I'd said in the Bristol thread that I wouldn't be linking to any of that sellers post war and civilian aircraft. Nought for two as our American cousins say.


Jean,


Thanks very much for the interesting link. Again, if only I 'd paid sufficient attention to Pillon's name :o. This is the second photo I've posted after the one in the Short aircraft thread, that I could have found on albindenis had I only known it.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of two damaged Farman MF.11s at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-franca...EAAOSwcp9exg~N


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a number of photos of early Farman types operated by the RFC as follows:


Farman HF.20 Serial 286



https://www.ebay.fr/itm/RPPC-AVIATIO...wAAOSwOINezMyZ


Farman MF.7 Serial 207



https://www.ebay.it/itm/Early-1900s-...4AAOSwuaJey8fs



Farman MF.7 Serial 217


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1900s-Joh...wAAOSwnEFexqCz


Farman MF.7 Captioned as 402, but 403?


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/RPPC-AVIATIO...oAAOSwSRVey31h


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Clint

I am a bit suspicious about the Longhorn labelled 402 (and as you know that number belonged to a Short).
I can't see any trace of any serial number on this aircraft and believe it actually is a civil one...

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Stig,


Yes, that is why I speculated on 403. But you may very well be correct an it is neither. It just seemed an odd thing for the individual writing on rthe postcard at the time to write, leading me to speculate, highly possibly incorrectly that 403 was meant. ut I agree really unknowable anfd I just posted it for the sake of completeness. As a precaution I shall scourge myself for possibly having posted a civilian aircraft :)



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Farman
 

Yes it might be 403 Clint, but then it is a bit strange no serial number is present on the aircraft.

This was also before any censorship had been invented by the militaries, so I think we can discard that as well.

I browsed around a bit before this photo popped up and there was at least one other photo where the same photographer had used three digits for some reason, again on a 'blank' aircraft (think it was in the 300 range). Of course I am unable to locate it again.... :o

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Farman
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Farman MF.11 MF.181,unusually for a french operated aircraft with the serial on the fuselage at:


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...321377549.html


Regards,


Clint