Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Today the following photos of US operated aircraft are on ebay:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...kAAOSw-SVeS-wy


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...MAAOSwvxBeqCpE


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...wAAOSwGIZeqCpj


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...QAAOSwbTNeqCnH


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...kAAOSw4tBeqCoH




https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...gAAOSwY8teS-sk


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...MAAOSwHCNeS-wf


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...0AAOSwkfVeS-xV


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...wAAOSwijBeS-uj


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...kAAOSw6l9eS-tV











I suspect that despite the captions some of the photos are state side postwar.


Any help identifying the crashed aircraft gratefully received.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


A further photo of USAAS aircraft in this case DH-4s and a Spads at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WW...4AAOSwZDlenPes


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a photo of a Dorand AR-1 of the USAAS at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-U-S-Pho...oAAOSw5e5cXvdk


It looks like No.244 but impossible to be certain that its not 244*


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Clint

I think we can be pretty certain it is No 244
Casari identifies No 244 as delivered, but not any No 244x.

Admittedly there are many non identified AR.2 delivered to the Yanks but as far as I can see this is an AR.1 (rhino exhaust) and their serial numbers did not go that far. Also if you look at the digits 244 they are in balance (centered) beneath the AR above.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Sound reasoning. I concur. to be honest I was just being (too?) cautious.


While its not an area I feel any competence to comment doesn't http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...ete_Dorand.htm indicate 244* was although not an option for the photo shown at least a viable number?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

The Dorand has the US flag insignia of the 1st Aero.
Nick

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Nick,


Many thanks for the unit ID.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Sharp eyes Nick!! :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a nice photo of two early USAAS aircraft, Martin TT serial 50 and a Curtiss JN-2, serial 47 perhaps? at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Bi...AAAOSwlBtesL3s


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Clint

A very nice photo!!

While the TT is indisputable I would venture an educated (oh well... :o ) guess and say the other aircraft is a JN-4B No 157. At this time all surviving JN-2 had been modified to JN-3 standard and was with No 1 Squadron (all having a star on their fins)

Another reason is, not that I am a Curtiss Jenny expert, but because I have Robert Casari's 'Bible' by my side.

At this time both the Martin and this particular Jenny was on a search for two missing fliers from bases in southern Calidornia (Dec 1916 -Jan 1917). Casari specifically mentions that TT No 50 was in on that search.

Easy, peacy when you have the 'Bible' right in front of you.... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


If you like the photo the seller has many more potentially interesting photos from the Woodhouse Collection. I haven't posted any of them because most are civilian aircraft or in a few cases post WW.I, but you may find him worth checking out.


Thanks for the accurate info on the JN. I was definitely taking a guess on that one and seeing the 7 thought 47. Good to have the correct info.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Thanks Clint

Yes I have gone through the Woodhouse collection and saved some of them.
Unfortunately most are quite indifferent to me....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a small collection of photos including several Curtiss JN-4 variants taken at Eberts Field including an ambulance aircraft:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/18-WWI-EBER...AAAOSwLSxesCvD


Not all (any?) appear to be from WWI as advertised by the seller.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a seies of photos of Slamson 2 A2s of the US 1st Aero Squadron at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-Vin...YAAOSwepJXZ1Mv


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-Vin...cAAOSwzJ5XZ1J0


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-Vin...MAAOSwvg9XZ1LR


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-Vin...UAAOSwM4xXZ1ME


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-Vin...kAAOSw3YNXZ1Nw


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are further images of USAAS Salmson 2 A2 aircraft at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/US-Observ...oAAOSw7HpevTsC


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Curtiss JN-2 serial number 43 at :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWI-US-Army...sAAOSwXGVewzZO


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Packard LePere LUSAC-11 with evaluation number P54 at :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WW...IAAOSwo1Ze0DIq


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of two USAAS DH.4 machines at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW-1-Prop-P...YAAOSwk8Re79-z


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a number of photos of aircraft captioned as 'Beute' but which appear to be USAAS at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-en...4AAOSwjARe~19i


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-fr...AAAOSw69he~18m


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-en...EAAOSw1uhe~17v


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...MAAOSw6RNe~16z


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fl...AAAOSwSAte~152


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an captioned as the US Army's first plane by the seller, so the Wright Model A serial 1 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wright-Brot...AAAOSwkMhfF9Gw


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

The 2 DH-4s are 91st Aero ( kinght and devil insignia) in the overall Khaki 160 late 1918.
The LUSAC P-54 was 42138 at McCook Field.
Nick

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are photos of two USAAS aircraft at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Biplane-pho...8AAOSw1g9fN6qJ


2800 is a Curtiss JN-4D, while the other aircraft is a DH-4 of some kind. The photos may be wartime or possibly the 1920s, the seller appears uncertain.



There is also a seperate photo of a JN-4D 2589 at:




https://www.ebay.com/itm/RPPC-WW1-er...AAAOSw-6xfOF-v




Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Clint

The group with four aircraft were all most likely taken at Kelly Field around 1919-20. Two photos visibly have ASMS on their fuselages and the JN-4D added text "Kelly-Field". A third photo has the building in the background also carrying the same letters.
Reason for the appx date is that the "rear-ending" DH-4 seems to carry the serial 32167. That aircraft did not come off the production line until about November-December 1918.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello Stig,


Thanks for that. I could see that the DH-4 had a serial of some kind on top of the rudder, but couldn't read it. If you're happy with 32167 I can go with that.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo album containing many wwi related items at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/16-WWI-POST...EAAOSwFD5fPYhY



Many of the items are not aircraft related , but there are photos of Curtiss N-8 serial No.60 and Curtiss JN-4 serial No.134.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are three photos of the Martin GMB,39055 somewhat marred by cheap pens at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/2621-Foto-Fl...gAAOSw8wZgAvmx


https://www.ebay.de/itm/2622-Foto-Fl...4AAOSwpoBgAvvd


https://www.ebay.de/itm/2623-Foto-Fl...EAAOSwM5JgAvws


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Looks quite like the prototype alright

I confess I have for some time now wondered if this seller includes the pens when you have clinched a deal with him?.....:rolleyes:

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Yes, with my lack of knowledge of US military aircraft of the era, several edits were necessary until I noted the text with the helpful serial number.:)



With regard to the pens, the quality of the pen needs to improve if the attempted bribe is to be successful. I might be cheap, but not that cheap:)


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hmmm

I thought you had bought the Casari book by now???!!! :)
Honestly Clint, one of the best books Aeronaut ever produced!!

Pens.....oh well.....even if cheap, a pen is always a pen....of course something the younger generation ain't seen nothing of....:p

Ahhh, sweet youth. I still remember quite fondly the pencils we used to chew on. Sharpening one's teeth you know.....like young beavers.....;)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Speaking of youth, upon seeing the GMB photos, I had a wistful moment when I recalled the Kenneth Munson books, the ones with the profiles showing in one half the machine from the underside, and the other half the upper side of the aircraft, these beeing the first aircraft books I had and the first time I saw a GMB. Still got the book somewhere, but never unpacked it along with many others when I moved here.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Guys

Clint found a photo here
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910s-1920s...IAAOSwVNxgQBiZ
and just because its been around for some time, didn't think it was good enough to post.
I differ, since this time the photo is very well reproduced on e-bay and it also shows a quite interesting Standard (Fisher Body built) SJ-1
It shows one of three SJ-1 converted at Wright Field to take the Curtiss OX-5 engine.
The seller seems to be so focused on the photographer that he cannot see the forest because of all the trees.
Aircraft is no JN-4 and not even a J-1 as given by Baugher on his site (no such designation actually existed)
The use of another SJ-1's rudder also adds to the dimension. All-in-all a very nice photo! I exchanged the one I already had and downloaded to this one!!

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Intersting information and good to learn new information on the SJ-1 (as I now know:) )


Here's another one I suspect may also have been seen before given the origin of the photo. I take it the A3340 on the back of the photo is the aircraft serial. If so here is a photo of Curtiss JN-4D A3340 :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Love-Field-...EAAOSwJTNgQPdD


Striking markings. I take it, its still in military service based on the the Curtiss N-8 serial 60 in the background?


Regards,


cLINT

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Well Clint

First of all I am not able to verify which sub-version of the JN-4 this is.
Secondly I am not convinced the 'A3340' refers to a US serial number.
It could just as well be a Smithsonian negative file number.

Taking a random number and say it was a 'Jenny' and you have a pretty good chance it was since it was a very numerous aircraft indeed.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Wright Model B at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/40301290111...wAAOSwr9hg-heX


Described by the seller as the army's second airplane,but Joe Baugher has serial number 2 alloted to a Curtiss,while there are a number of serials for Wright Model B aircraft. So which serial number was assigned to the machine shown?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hi Clint

Still haven't got the Bible? :)
Casari says this was the "second" Wright A for the Army. The first one seems by some to have been the one in which Lt Selfridge was killed when flown by Orville Wright.
So this one, which was in fact the first one accepted by the US Army, became SC No 1.
When seen here it had been modified/rebuilt as a Model B (during Nov and Dec 1910).
Seems it was damaged before being stored for the winter 1910-11, because in Jan 1911 money was required for repairs....and fundraising was made to the public! The SC was obviously very short of money or perhaps more likely didn't want it any more so nothing really came out of all that. In May 1911 the aircraft was donated to the Smithsonian Institution.
This photo (undated) was probably taken just before the hand over.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Loening M-8 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/12485849015...gAAOSwpxJhHF-k



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a flightline of LWF Model V aircraft at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/12495604709...YAAOSw1TBhVkjZ


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Martin TT serial number 51 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/26544291162...MAAOSwfoNhsPpF


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

Hello,


I need ID assistance with this machine,which I think is an Engineering Division machine with Bristol F.2B ancestry


https://www.ebay.com/itm/25646454937...Bk9SR7Ks3onTYw



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos USAAS Aircraft
 

So do I Clint

Looks like a discarded XB-1A to me.

Cheers
Stig