Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a photo of a Macchi L.2 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/9971-AVIAZIO...cAAOSwaTJeqsIG


At least I assume that it is a L.2 based on this site:


http://earlyaviators.com/emarin4b.htm


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


On 24.05.20 further photos of Macchi L.3 flying boats based at Brindisi can be seen on ebay at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...4AAOSwjsVeyRoP


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...sAAOSwKVheyRnD


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...oAAOSwnKJeyRih


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...EAAOSwnAJeyRfK


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Still on 24.05.20 the following photos captioned as Macchi flying boats based at Brindisi and Vigna di Valle can be seen as follows:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...QAAOSw6QdeyRbY


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...EAAOSwq~5eyRPo


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Macchi L.1 L156 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlero...333414032.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of Macchi L.3 flying boats at:


Macchi L.3 705*



https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-3-WW-1-A...gAAOSwHB5eSba4


Macchi L.3 M.4874


https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-11-WW-1-...EAAOSw4wZeSbis



I would welcome opinions about what the last digit on the first machine is.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Clint

What about M.7056? When checking WDF 86 the photo is there on page 9

Also according to Gregory Alegi, both M.4874 and M.7056 are model M.5

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hi Stig,


I don't have the WDF. You are correct of course about M7056 being an M.5. I posted too quickly I think. I just wanted a second opinion on that one, because as I know you're aware fronm an earlier post the WDF serials are a bit questionable. Given that the macine shown is M.7056, I tend to agree the last digit is 6 that would make it the first of that batch of M.5s.


I have a bit more of a problem with M.4874. At the moment I'm transcribing serials and units from Gentilli and Varriale I Reparti and I'll have to go back and check since I've only just reached the naval units, but I thought the m.48** batch were L.3. In fact I've just checked on M.4876 which is the closest I've recorded yet and its an L.3. I have been finding, despite odd typos I Reparti more reliable on serials than the Alfgi WDFs.Alegi having recorded 7056 as a Pomilio PE serial. Though in his defence he does admit in the WDF on the SAML's that the serials he gives are a bit speculative.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hi Clint

Well, you are correct about there being too many double serials in our Italian lists

I am slowly progressing through the WDF volumes (I think I have all with direct connection to Italy) but I don't have all of them, so some French and English types may slip by.

I will send it over to you when "finished".... :)

With regard to the M.5 Alegi actually calls the batch M.4866 - 4875 type MA. Photos shown: Ma.4868, M.4869, M.4870 and Ma.4873. Seems it was a sort of interim type. The M.5 was a single-seater (and thus smaller) while the L.3 (M.3) was a side-by-side two-seater, but since they are basically in scale it is dificult to see unless you have two persons in the cockpit...

As far as I know he has made extensive research into flying boats so I am pretty certain he is correct this time.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hi Stig,


I will tentatively type in MA for the range of serials M.4866 to M.4875 you mention on my excel doc. Thanks. I take it that the photos of the MA machines look different from either the L.3 or M.5?



As mentioned I'm finding it far more productive using I Reparti as a base for Italian serials rather than the WDFs. On the specific area we're discussing WDF 117 has a batch of Pomilio PE running from 6840 to 7097. As can be seen this is very wrong if the Macchi M.5 shown in the link is M.7052 and I have other M.5 between serial 7052 and 7097. There are also examples of where one WDF contradicts another by the same author.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

I know Clint

As I said, when I am "finished", you will be the first to get it.
Perhaps you then have other things you can fill in.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hi Stig,


It might just be that you didn't mention it, or may be Alegi doesn't, but having today reached 261 Squadriglia in Gentilli and Varriale I Repart, I see that that Macchi M.5 7056 in the link above served with that unit.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Macchi L.3 serial M.3405 known to have served at one time with 253 Squadriglia at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-Regia-A...IAAOSwbVhe3-VB


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently onebay is a photo of Macchi L.3 3417 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACCHI-M-3-...8AAOSwQaJXR4Oz


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a nice photo of a Macchi M.5 M 7258 of 269 Squadriglia at:

https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-Regia-A...UAAOSwf~tfgtVc

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Macchi M.13080 flown by Prince Aimone di Savoia at :


https://www.ebay.it/itm/S-A-R-AIMONE...gAAOSw-rReClDq


The caption has the machine as a M.7, but I have other Macchi flying boats in the 1308* range as definite M.5 machines.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Indeed Clint

I have this one as a Macchi M.5mod

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a photo of a Macchi M.12


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...894778151.html


Unfortunately no markings are visible.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Photo has already been published in Italy by Giorgio Apostolo.

The type is an odd one. Number built is reported on the 'net as between 8 - 10 and even a civil version
the M.12bis should have been built

However there are no known (published) MM numbers and certainly no civil registered ones.

It is only mentioned in connection with the Schneider Trophy races in 1920 and then as a non-starter.

My guess is the model was totally unsuccessful, failed to be ready as late as 1920. Possibly Macchi
tried to convert it to civil use as the M.12bis but if they did, it was never registered.
Thus I believe only one was built.

Anyone who knows more?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hi Stig,


Disappointing that I've posted an already seen photo. But thanks for the heads up anyway.


Now as you'll recall I have been underwhelmed by Aeronaut's Italian Aviation in the First World War,but it does have a small piece on the M.12. One photo which can also be seen on the net



https://www.mediastorehouse.co.uk/ma...t-9888805.html


I would say that it has a serial number before the M.12,but I cant read it.


Davila has gone with no more than one or two examples ordered by the RM and also references the civilian M.12 bis with an enclosed cabin for three.


I fear this doesn't really add much to what you already know. We really need an Italian expert.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Thanks Clint

I haven't seen that photo before. Still hesitant if there actually is any MM number visible.
Macchi M.12, yes, but anything else? Nahhhh :)

I was however rather amused with the editor's comments on the website.
He is overflowing with words which says absolutely nothing. Guess once if I gave a thumb up
or down?.....:D

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Macchi Flying Boat
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of Macchi M.8 13586.



https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...056473480.html




Regards,


Clint